Very interesting
First let me state I am not a doctor ,And I dont wish to lead anyone
astray,,,I DON'T DOUBT ALLOPURINOL WORKS !My point sunscreen works in
filtering harmful uv rays ,,hmmm I wonder if a heavy long sleeve
shirt works also.When I stated many different types of gout ,I guess
I should have said "We are all on different diets ,so our gout
triggers may differ"
Walter said "We have more uric acid in our bodies than our natural
regulatory system can handle " "End of discussion"(What an
angry /intolerant statement )Well you made my point for me .Our
natural reg. system isnt natural anymore but damaged goods .So
everyone with high , normal ,or a uric acid level over 4.0 has
gout .Really?
I said One size fits all dangerous ?Well I guess not since walter
said so .We are all the same and every drug out there affects us all
the same .Allopurinol is 100per cent effective .Quite a stack of
paper to review.
It doesnt matter What I "feel"about it .Statement stands alone
I have read info on allopurinol.So everything pro allopurinol must be
the "Truth".The FDA gets drug info from drug manufacturers ,so there
is a conflict of interest.If allopurinol is much like the chemical
our bodies produce ,,,Well what happened to that chemical,,where is
it ,,you think possibly that our systems may be damaged and we dont
produce it ,,why?
Amalgams that I refer to are "Dental Amalgams ",silver fillings
comprised of 50% mercury.The second most harmful substance on the
planet.But the ADA has deemed them safe since 1800s
You call me an ignorant idiot ,ridicule me .I have never responded to
you that way.You got an anger issue with me and my abstinence from
allopurinol.I stated I would take it
You are trying to help me . You could'nt give a shit about me or my
condition, so save it and quit using it to get your point across.I
dont have all the answers(or any acording to you )Get a hair analysis
done quick,you have other issues than gout .
I dont profess knowledge , but ask that people keep thier eyes and
ears open .I only mention things I read asking that maybe there is a
chance something out there works not to cover up , lower ,or inhibit
uric acid production,, I want to know where the natural chemical my
body produces to excrete uric acid and why I might not produce
enough of it ,,But since you are all healed . leave ,I thought this
group is for gout sufferers ,,, you dont suffer so go
Not angry, not intolerant abut 100% accurate. If I thought you would
read it I would provide the detailed chemitry analysis that proves
it, the extensive double blind test groups and the absolutely
unquestioned statistical information that proves, beyond any margin
for error, that allopurinol works, how it works and that unless you
are either not a mammal-for it works on all mammals-dogs, rats,
horses-yes horses get gout too- or perhaps if you are not human and
have a different biological evolution it might not work on you but in
all human cases testedn it absolutely stops, inhibits, makes go away,
the breakdown process that leads to uric acid.
Maybe you should learn to read, Never said that, I said that people
with serum urate levels as low as 4 can suffer from gout.
Do you even know the difference between the level of uric acid you
have in your body and the level of urate you have in your blood. Are
they the same thing. Have you eveh had your body level of uric acid
measured. Do you konw what that level is?
The chemical that we call allopurinol does not occur naturally. It is
a homolog of many other chemicals that do occur naturally.
I challenge you to find one message in which I wrote that you are
an "ignorant idiot".
If you wish to proclaim to the world that you are, an "ignorant
idiot" that is your privledge. I do claim that based on your
statements, you are very ignorant about the biochemistry of
metabolism, specifically the breakdown of DNA and RNA into uric acid
and morespecifically what allopurinol does and why it helps us deal
with our damaged systems.
If memory serves me you have an autistic daughter and you and other
people close toyou are suggesting that perhaps heavy metal
contamination plays a role in the condition. I neither argued with
you nor do I believe that the argument or discussion is without
merit. My sister believes that her daughter, who also suffers from a
form of autism caused by a near drowning when she was three, is also
terribly sensitive to the mercury amalgam that she has in her teeth
and my sisteh has had all the amalgam fillings removed. She and my
mom both believe that there has been a marked improvement in her
cognitive ability since the fillings were replaced with the porcelain
paste fillings.
Really hard to do since I am almost completely bald but I guess I
could get it done on my hair on my arm. Sop what if I do have other
issues. None of the other issues that could be going on with me count
when I am in the middle of a rip snorting gout attack that makes my
foot twice the size it was the previous day. I really don't care why
my gout got here. I do know that I have many relatives who are older
than me and who have suffered many many years with gout and in all
likelyhood there will be a brilliant discovery some day that will
allow many of us to go off allopurinol.
But that day ain't here now and neither you, nor anyone else out
there, can produce credible information that shows there is an
alternative.
What is it? What is the alternative and where can I read about it?
How does it work and why?
The lady who discovered and in fact pioneered the use of allpurinol
wasn't even looking for a cure for gout. She was trying to find a
way to mitigate the terrible overload of uric acid that cancer
patients get when radiation therapy destroyes a large mass of a
tumor. We should actually name this group after her and by the way,
she won the Nobel prize for that work and she was not working for a
drug company when she did it. If you would spend 1/4 of the energy
you spend fretting about statements that I have made and use that
energy to read what is in the literature about allopurinol, you might
mitigate your anger. Do you konw why allopurinol is so cheap, that is
low in cost? Interesting story. And by the way, the drug companies
actually don't, didn't want to produce it because they didn't have
the patent rights to it.
Get your facts strait and perhaps get your temper and outlook
realigned. I really don't care, as you suggest, whether you ever take
allopurinol or not. I do care about things that you write that are
clearly wrong and that can and probably do influence people
improperly.
Again you are showing a terribly naieve lack of understanding of the
processes that are involved in uric acid retention and excretion.
(I really don't think you are someone who has gout. )
We are making the source of the problem go away and no one is healed
from allopurinol, they are just allowed to reduce their excess uric
acid, gradually over several years without having to suffer the
ravages of severe gout attacks.
My guess, from what you write, is that you really don't have gout,
never have and don't even know from personal experience, just how
painful it is and how debilitating and damaging it is. It will rob
you of your mobility, your self respect and in all to many cases it
can and will ruin your life. You will in all likelyhood lose your
job, the love of your family, and your own sense that you are an
important and worthwhile person because with constant gout attacks,
even a saint, is reduced to something less than human.
Go and find us a better way but please, when you do find it, and
bring it to us, try to have some specifics on what that better way is
and, it might help to suggest why you believe it works. Some of us
are data driven and you don't present much data.