Interested in gout

Hi All,
I am Regina and my husband's name is Tee. My husband and I are on
this journey, and he went first because he's awaiting back surgery
for an injury. His surgery was Thursday. It went well. His BMI was 63
and he was able to have his surgery completely laparascopic. Amazing
docs at Cedars Sinai in Los Angeles. He had some complications after
surgery with his breathing, which kept him in ICU a day, but he came
home today and is doing well. He's on clear liquids for this week,
plus two protein drinks a day. Any suggestions on good ones would be
appreciated.
I had started the process but got overwhelmed by the requirements of
paperwork and records, so I figured I'd let Tee go first than deal
with me. I'm using a different doc, Dr. Ninh Nguyen in Orange, CA
because he's 2 hours closer and my BMI is lower, so he can do me lap
too. He has a lot of office paperwork requirements, which is
frustrating, but I think I'll go ahead and jump through the hoops.
I'll keep you all posted.
Any suggestions on how to get through that first week post-op would
be appreciated. I'll pass them on to Tee.
Regina
BMI 53
365/waiting/175

Thanks I have Teeth but I have trouble eatting with them have sence
I got them The tops fix but I have NO bottom gums to hold them.So
I'll talk to Dentist and Doctor about that.Plus I thing I just play
it safe my getting and blender and blended everything.I was looking
at Photos on the site and God Bless all those people whom have real
lots wt.I hope I look that good when I'm at 6 months or 1 yr after
surgery.How long ago did you have your surgery? and how much have
you lose? I'm just hoping this works see about 7 months ago the
doctor had me on a diet pill for 6 months and I never lose a
pound.Thats what my doctor told me about RYN surgery.Only one lady
around here I was told had it done she lost wt and doing great I
thought until my drug store lady told me that she now has gain Wt#
and has heart trouble.Thats what scares me.I don't know if it was
from stop taking her Vitmains are not eatting right? Well sorry for
running so long Thanks You and I'll check with my doctor on
everything.God Bless and Have great Day a Friend Debkroll of Iowa.

Hmmmm.... I am assuming you are talking about a profile? Here's
mine:
www.tinyurl.com/bkld
Hope this helps :)
Caroline

Hi Deborah,
The open and the lap is the same procedure - just a different way of
getting access to your stomach, intestines, etc. While I am glad I
had the lap (less pain and quicker recovery as well as less chance
of hernias following surgery), this is really a decision between you
and your surgeon. I started out at 367 and for people our size,
often the surgeons do open - especially if the person carries a lot
of weight in their abdomen or has had prior abdominal surgery.
As for eating post-op, it is VITAL that all foods be chewed until
pureed in the mouth, so this is something you should definately be
speaking to your surgeon (and dentist) about. Of course, you could
puree everything in a blender and have it this way :)
Hope this helps :)
Caroline
Lap RNY 5/2/03
367/307/150
www.tinyurl.com/bkld

I'm having the Open RYN not lap RYN which is best?My doctor told me
he like to do open better then lap.Also he says he does open so if
the any ruptures or hernias he can repair them then plus takes the
gallblatter out then to.If anyone lives in Western Iowa or South
Dakota or Nebraska I would say go to him.I went to a group meeting
to learn what it's about some and what to expected on the
surgery.Then he makes you set up a appointment with a Gastric Bypass
Nutrition Edcation Class that help me some but also confused me some
too.Then made another appointment to just see him then he sent it in
and a month later they called and gave me a date.I was so happy
about that but now I just wondering if Lap or opens better.I guess
as time gets closer I'm getting worried some of after the surgery.I
also have No teeth so I have to really watch what I eat.Can anyone
give me help now what the best food that will keep me health and be
able to chew easier?I on this is a stupid question but with NO TEETH
I guess it's a good question.Thanks for help My Dr.Fredrick Harris
of Sioux Falls,S.D. 911 E. 20th St.Suite 300 57105.605-334-2266 or
605-322-7676.GOD Bless a Friend Debkroll.Wt#365,surgery date:Aug
18,03.

In a message dated 7/20/2003 11:16:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
debkroll212003@... writes:
Hey I sure will, good luck and take care
Lori Anne
pre-op Lap rny
8/25/03

In a message dated 7/20/2003 10:46:40 PM Central Standard Time,
kisaangel2@... writes:
I was wondering if you were allowed a book to take. Thanks girl and I usually
stay to busy with my "zoo" here to take a catnap. Thanks for the info.
WOLFIE

Hi Kim and welcome to the family...there is a wealth of information coming
from this group....so hang on and ask away.
From another fellow lurker...
Carol Lynne in PA
Pre-op
From: "kimberly_player" <kimberly_player@...
Subject: (unknown)
Hello,
My name is Kim and I have been lurking for several weeks. I am going
through all my preop testing and I am waiting for my insurance
approval. I just wanted to say that I have learned a great deal from
everyone. Thanks

Can someone email me an example of a "weight loss journal"?
Please?
Thanks a bunch,
artist_mfa@...

Wolfie...Don't worry about the study....Just remember to bring a boring book
to read or watch something on the tv that will bore you....If you have a
favorite pillow that you sleep with, bring it along as it will help...and
don't nap during the day prior to your study....Good luck sweetie!!
Carol Lynne in PA
Pre-op
From: wolfeyes1958@...
Subject: sleep study
well the 22nd I go for my sleep study. Then the nutritionist and Ill be on
my way. I just hope and pray I will not have any problems with the sleep
study but if I do I just have to take it in stride and go forward with it. I
have an angel that will be with me and help me out so I am relieved about
that. Sure do hope this happens quickly. I am ready to get on the losing
side!
WOLFIE

I'm happy for you and God Bless and watch over you Wednesday I'll be
praying for a fast recovery and quick healing.I know you'll make it
and be happy about the new life ahead.Thanks for all your support
and great words you gave me.Remeber will be waiting to hear you back
on the site soon.a good friend Deb Kroll

My husband says I have not snored ONCE since the day of surgery. It baffles
me!!!
Heather
ourkidsmom@...

Chris...I'll be there with you in spirit and prayers that everything will go
smoothly for you and you come out of surgery on the "loosing" side of a
brand new life.
Take care....
Carol Lynne in PA
Pre-op
From: "Chris Barlage" <Cbarlage@...
Subject: Got my surgery time
Finally after sitting here all day they called at 4:30 pm. I am first one on
the list on Wednesday the 23rd. I have to be at BTC at 6:00 am. I am glad I
am first then maybe I won't get bumped because it gets too late or something
I have a feeling this is going to be the longest weekend in the history of
man. I already have everything ready to go. I should of waited to do that
this weekend so I could pass the time. Maybe the family and I can go see a
movie of something this weekend. Anyone seen any good ones lately that you
would recommend. I want to thank everyone for all their wonderful help.
Everything from snowcone machines to surgery tips. I have soaked all your
knowledge up and hope that I am ready. I feel ready and positive that this
is the right thing to do. Thanks again.
Chris B.
Surgery date 7/23/03
BTC/ Columbus OH
Dr.Stelmack
Open RNY

Three months and 70 lbs lighter...that is fantastic Julie..keep up the good
work.
Take care....
Carol Lynne in PA
Pre-op
From: rwjjc4@...
Subject: 3 mos. check-up
Hello everyone, it's a beautiful day in WI. Today I had my 3 mos. check-up
and the Dr. is very pleased with my progress and the nurse was suprised.
Offically, I have lost 70 pounds (Although the doctors digital scale seems
to weigh about 3 pounds heavier than the Doctors scale at Curves, but hey I
m still pleased.). I also had some blood work done to track how I'm doing
with the vitamins and I am inemic(sp). I don't see my doctor again for 3 mos
That kind of surprised me, but I guess you have to start tapering off the
visits.
Everyone have a great weekend.
Take Care,
Julie
Open RYN 4-7-03
351/281/???

Boy a small world my surgery date is August 18,2003.I hope we all
can stay in touch with each other on our progress of our surgery.I
maybe the heavies at 365.But with you both having it about the same
month maybe we can share whats going on and help each other.I wish
you both the best on your surgery.Thanks and God Bless

Someone mentioned two spoons a day of something for constipation like Benetol
or Benefol what was it? Thanks -- Jody

Hi everyone,
I have just created a chat room, for those who are online right now,
and want to chat. It is under the category health and wellness under

Hi Tracy,
If you go to www.coastalobesity.com, you will find a form there that
is EXTREMELY comprehensive. You might want to try printing that out
and using it as a basis for the info to submit to the insurance
company. But with Medicaid or Medicare, I don't believe they even
give preapproval - you just find a surgeon/hospital who accepts it
and then they will bill Medicaid/Medicare directly. I'd check with
your surgeon's office to be sure.
Hope this helps :)
Caroline
www.tinyurl.com/bkld

can some one tell me what all i should include in my letter. mu
insurance at this time is healthy families medicaid. i have a letter
already but not sure if i have included everything and how short
should it be. I have had my best friend and my father in law have the
same done with same insurance. but i just know because its me that it
will require more lol that is just my luck. i have already been
through 2 other drs as the decided after making me weight that they
werent going to take my insurace. so now i have found another dr that
has a good rep that is willing to take it. so i am starting all over
again and i have done my letter and my diet history so that it is
done, and i go to this dr.'s seminar on the 6th. 17 days away lol and
counting. thanks for the help
Tracey

-----Rhymes - updated

Hi y'all!!
I've started a little group for us having a surgery in September so we
can keep track of each other closely and offer lots of support!!!!
Kim in NorthTexas
Open RNY 9/8/03

Dear Lori H.,
Here's the explanation of hypovitaminosis:
Hypovitaminosis is a condition of vitamin deficiency in the body. This means
that the vitamin levels are sufficiently high to prevent severe diseases,
but they are insufficient for the maintenance of health. The reasons for
vitamin deficiency may be of primary nature, such as poor and unpredictable
dietary intake and incomplete utilization of vitamins. Other causes of
vitamin deficiency are increased needs for vitamins in physical exertion,
during pregnancy and lactation, in the period of growth, in infectious
diseases, and in increased needs for vitamins during lactation, in profuse
sweating and diarrhea.
live each day like it's your last... love like you've never been hurt...
Deb in Hazlet, NJ
"Debbie Dancer"
distal rny
September 3, 2002
386/237/160?
BMI 60/35/24?
-149
-69.5"
Angel to Bill (8/14/03), Debbie (waiting for a date) Ilene (6/26/03), Roy
(7/29/03) and Ro

Hey Sarah
I don't think a sunburn should keep you from surgery but call your surgeon's
office just in case. Just stop taking all medications so that the
anesthesiologist won't have anything negative to say when he asks you
pre-surgery
questions.
Good Luck and be well
Lori Anne
pre-op Lap RNY
8/25/03

Hi Di
Congratulations on obtaining your surgery date we are just 3 days apart from
each other my surgery is August 25, 2003 so by the time you are home from the
hospital I will be going in LOL. Keep me posted and Good Luck.
Lori Anne
pre-op Lap RNY
8/25/03

GRRRRRRRRRR..... LOL
OK, so the MO was preventable so they say.... But so too is lung
cancer from smoking cigarettes, yet it would be unconciousable (sp?)
and illegal for insurance companies to deny treatment for lung
cancer simply because it could have been prevented...
Insurance companies are simply looking for a "way out" of paying for
this much needed surgery that IS known to be the only effective
treatment for MO at this time.
Also, what is this about 'they weren't able to change their eating
habits before so why would they do it after surgery?' Well, duh!
This is why the surgery helps to begin with - because it forces
dietary compliance....
Of my horse,
Caroline
www.tinyurl.com/bkld

My motivation was definitely my family. I wanted to live a healthier
and happier life with them instead of watching from the sidelines.
The decision to have surgery resulted from one of a million web
searches looking for another miracle way (drug/drink/bar) to lose
weight. I had never known anyone who had gotten the surgery nor had
I ever really heard much about it. I'm glad I was taking another
tearful stab at finding a successful way to lose weight or I never
would have come across a website talking about WLS.
Toi

Wishing you lots of luck Sarah!
:) Caroline
www.tinyurl.com/bkld

interesting article, artist. what i came away with, among other
things, is the importance of taking calcium. vit D, iron etc & blood
tests, for life.
lori h.
14 doctor supervised months out

thanks bill
your friend in surgery
Christopher Carroll
micco Florida
from over 78- to under 300

hi family!
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/6337072.htm
hope it works.
btw, this is some the employer$' perspective.
lori h.

Anytime :) And thank YOU Lori, for making the members list
private :)
:) Caroline

woohoooooo congrads on getting your date!!
Pamela
11/19/02
120 lbs gone!!
Miami

if it's long term post-op anecdotes you're searching for, there's
bobmediema.com (1979) & a group member mike berkwit (1986, i
believe). & probably some over @ obesityhelp
a couple of years ago, a friend of mine who was like a mom to me,
dropped dead from a heart attack in her early 50's. she never
sought intervention for her morbid obesity, & became a statistic,
one of the 300,000 ppl who die from MO every year.
i consider MO more serious than wls, & i've heard a number of wls
cautionary tales.
bring on the debate, i'm a legal studies student;-)
lori h.

being jsut 5 days postop, your letter is much appreciated. It gives
me insight into what to expect. thanks!!
although I have much less weight to lose, perhaps a total of 60 to 75
lbs, it is my health which I have as a goal, also.
regards from key west, bill goldner-

well first off congrats to di aug22 is a great date
2nd i have a question i got sinburnt yesterday does any one think it
will be a problem??
i ahve been keeping ice packs on it aloe vera and tylonal so im
hoping it wont interfeer with anything
well in about 17 and a half hours i will be on the "loosing side" of
all of this and i wanted to thank yall for all of your great support
i will be home next week so ttfn
sarah
aka moodychick

Hello all,
I just wanted to share my happiness with everyone. I got my surgery
date. It is August 22nd!!!!!. I'm so excited. Thanks for listening.
Di

hi lori,
I've been researching this for quite some time. I am also glad to have
found this group that is rich with REAL people who have gone through
all the pre-op mess and made it to surgery. I wish I was among them now.
I was just looking for more information about people who are decades
past surgery, and to inquire about their quality of life as it is Now.
I've read a lot of positives, surely at the beginning there can be
nothing but optimism, but lately I've been uncovering some sad tales
too, which causes hesitation.
Regardless, I don't like the quality of life I have now and do not
intend to spend another penny on a failed "diet." I'm at the "end of
my rope" stage.
I've gone "the extra mile" and then some. Information only makes us
the wiser. For something as serious as WLS, we'd be unwise if we
didn't do our research.
Thanks for your reply.
artist

welcome aboard, vicki. you're right, there's plenty of
misperceptions when it comes to the "non-wls" world. we're here for
ya!
lori h.
14 grateful months out

yay, bill g! glad to hear you're home.
lori h.

In a message dated 7/20/2003 1:21:57 PM Central Standard Time,
wlslori@... writes:
I asked my husband and he was bewildered to answer that he cant remember the
last time I snored, so I must have stopped right after surgery LOL

hi deb:-) these are my labs/ frequencies. what's hypovitaminosis?
went to google & read something about lack of vit D. thanx.
lori h.

Hi Angela and Lori H
My answer to the question of who motivated me towards wls is myself. I had
looked into it about 3 years ago and made the unfortunate mistake of mentioning
it to my mom who said it was a crazy idea and to just eat less (my mom
suffered with weight problems due to diabetes for the greater part of her life).
I
did not listen to her and now 3 years later (my mom passed away last year from
diabetes complications) I have my surgery date set for 8/25/03 for lap rny
and I am for one glad I made the decision to do it. People will always give
their opinions on how you are to live your life but the ultimate decisions rest
on ourselves and what we want out of this shot at life. Good Luck Everyone!!
Lori Anne
pre-op Lap RNY
8/25/03

Hello VIckie
Congratulations on your wls and the great results that you are experiencing.
Keep up the good work and feeling great.
Lori Anne
pre-op Lap RNY
8/25/03

great to have ya onboard, jen. & way to go on the incredible wl!!
lori h.
miami

hi angela. your post gave me an idea for a discussion question:
Who motivated you to get surgery?
my initial answer is that i did it for me, but on the other hand, i
don't live in a vacuum. so i'm glad to have had it, b/c i can be
more energetic person & that affects others.
lori h.

thanx to all the "explainers", regarding signatures & threads &
changing membership options. you're great!
lori h.

thanx for the acknowledgement. where are you in your pre-opness?
lori h.

Hi~~I'm new here. I had my surgery May 15, 2003. Things r goin gr8 4
me and I'm so glad I did it. Its nice to have found another group
for support alot of ppl dont understand what a person goes
through.~~Vicki~~

karyn, 1st thought is to get involved in an in-person support. & the
2nd thought is a little introspection will point you in the right
direction. best of luck.
lori h.

just stay involved & get good post-op guidance & you'll be fine.
there are temporary plateus & there will come a come where wl
becomes work & comittment.
lori h.

(((((((((((TOI)))))))))))
You are BEAUTIFUL and you look absolutely fantastic. I can see the joy on
your face with your new after pictures with your family just look at the
difference between your expressions from the first to the last pictures. That
look
alone tells me that the WLS was worth all the effort and discomfort.
Congratulations on all your hard work
Lori Anne
pre-op Lap RNY
8/25/03

what a difference, toi! yeah, we should have some kind of century
club business card to print out & laminate.
lori h.

Go to this website.
Much to read on bypass surgery and results.
http://www.arktimes.com/021122coverstorya.html

I just uploaded a couple new pics showing how I look after a 100 lb
weight loss. It feels good to be a member of the Century Club (when
do I get my special badge? LOL)
Even the size 18 I'm wearing is starting to get baggy, especially
around the boobs *sob*, but I'll take boobless over the look I had in
my before picture any day.
Hoping you all had a wonderful weekend.
Toi

SUNDAY, JULY 20
7:00 P.M. ET - Two-hour show Jennifer Hoda suffers from diabetes, high
blood pressure and is at risk for a heart attack. Weighing nearly 300
pounds, she has made up her mind to do something radical. The
operation she's considering is risky, but it could drastically change
her life. Correspondent Hoda Kotb reports on how far one woman will go
to slim down.
I copied & pasted this from the Dateline website.

hi natasha. by the grace of God, i'm 3 lbs away from my personal
goal. (now that i typed it, it'll take 3 months to get there, hehe.)
lori h.
14 grateful months out

There was no way I could get to a TV to watch it. Has anyone recorded
it by chance? I would really like to see it.
Thanks,
Diane, the Artist

Congratulations Jake that is wonderful news...42 lbs gone forever!!!
Carol Lynne in PA
Pre-op
From: "Jake" <bigjake316@...
Subject: Hey All
Hello. Its Jake from Buffalo, NY. I have not posted in quite a
while. I had my Gastric Bypass Surgery (Open) on June 5. As of
today I am down about 42 lbs. Its so exciting. I am starting to see my
muscle definition again!
Best choice I ever made was having this done!!!
Hope to hear from all of you soon!
Jake

Just a short note to say I am back at the keyboard, had laprny on
Tuesday by Dr Carrasquilla, and all went well, except for developing
a lot of air in the bowels (ileus?). That kept me in a couple of
extra days, with a lot of extra discomfort, but as I have read here
before, THIS TOO SHALL PASS. I feel ok now, still pain in the
expected surgery site, especially if I don't take pain med. I am
eating some oatmeal and loving it. My mom would be very surprised if
she knew (the oatmeal and the surgery!)
I had some horrific dreams last night, but thereafter slept oh so
well in my own bed, absent IVs, beeps, cords, booties and incessant
hospital intrusions.
Andrea visited me before the FMC meet, just after surgery (or was
that her spirit?), which was great, and appreciated. Its good to be
on the other side! It seemed like forever to get here, but so it
goes.
regards, bill

Dear Natasha,
This is my surgeon's protocol. I think (in my not so humble opinion) that
your surgeon is definitely WRONG in waiting a year to run bloods. By the
time a year is up you could be deficient in many many areas. Too scary for
me. Here's what my surgeon recommends:
It is recommended that for the first year post-op that you have your blood
tested every three (3) months. After the first year then it is every six (6)
months. Just to let you that this testing requires about 6 or 7 tubes of
blood so don't freak out when they line them all up !!!
Also make sure the lab knows the proper handling of the specimens, one test
requires that the blood be kept from light and several require special
tubes....just politely ask the lab to look up all the requirements for each
test.
You should always get a copy of your blood tests and compare the results for
trends. For instance if your lab values are in the "normal" range but they
are consistantly getting lower each time you get them done, you want to do
something about it before they fall into the "abnormal" range.
Here is the list: Comprehensive Metabolic Profile Lipid Profile ALT
(SPGT)GGTLDH Phosphorous - inorganic Uric acid Hemogram with platlets B-12 &
Folate Iron, TIBC, % Sat Vitamin A & D (25-hydroxy) Thyroid panel (T3U, T4,
FTI, TSH)Zinc Magnesium Ferritin
These are the ICD-9 Diagnosis Codes needed for insurance reimbursement
579.3 - post-surgical malabsorbption; 269.2 - hypovitaminosis; 244.9
hypothryoidism.
Hope this helps...
live each day like it's your last... love like you've never been hurt...
Deb in Hazlet, NJ
"Debbie Dancer"
distal rny
September 3, 2002
386/237/160?
BMI 60/35/24?
-149
-69.5"
Angel to Bill (8/14/03), Debbie (waiting for a date) Ilene (6/26/03), Roy
(7/29/03) and Ro

Is it WLS Night on TV? I saw a commercial today for Dateline NBC
showing some new type of WLS surgery.

Dear Artist,
Being diagnosed with sleep apnea will not interefere with your having
surgery. It just makes them aware that you have to be observed by a
pulmonologist post-surgery and you may (or may not) have to stay on a vent
following surgery for a little bit. They just watch you a little more
closely. The good news is that of all the people I know that had sleep
apnea (and there are many, many of them) only two remain with sleep apnea
post-surgery but their sleep apnea was very, very severe and obstructive.
Don't sweat the sleep test. It just is for knowledge of how to handle your
case in the operating room and immediately post-op.
live each day like it's your last... love like you've never been hurt...
Deb in Hazlet, NJ
"Debbie Dancer"
distal rny
September 3, 2002
386/237/160?
BMI 60/35/24?
-149
-69.5"
Angel to Bill (8/14/03), Debbie (waiting for a date) Ilene (6/26/03), Roy
(7/29/03) and Ro

Hi group,
My name is Jen. I had my lap RNY in October 2002. I was 360 and
now 9 months later I am 210. I am also my surgeons in south
Floridas patient coordinator for the surgery. If there are any
questions that I may help on do not hesitate to ask.

I would like to know how to get that magazine. Thank you. Char

Hi Natasha,
Every doc is different, but mine says every 6 months
Pamela
11/19/02
120 lbs gone!!
Miami

Hello all,
well ill start by just telling a little of my story then get into
dumping, well most of you know I had my surgery may 9th 2000, I was over 780 lb.
IM now down to under 300 and thanking God for this surgery, i had several
medical problems before hand, on several pills a day, and much much more.
for dumping it will happen to all of us, its from eating to fast and
eating to much, what we all need to learn is how to chew our food down to like
water before we swallow it, my biggest advice to all is to go out and buy a
baby plate and spoon, fork and sipper cup and eat with those before and after
the
surgery till you learn because you have to understand what ever you can fit
into your thumb is all you can eat, and that's not a lot so if you learn how to
chew chew chew chew chew your food very well, and it will go down easy, and
dumping will not happen.
also for going out for dinner you have to see what agrees with you and what
doesn't agree with you after this surgery, because different foods you use to
like you might not like it afterwards, its trial and error, its like going
back to school and having to learn all over again, its hard to do. plus chewing
will be hard because were used to just taking a bite and swallowing our food,
but now we cant because if you don't it will get stuck and get that dumping
feeling or get sick to your stomach and throw it up, so just take it one day at
a time and one bite at a time and things will get better.
so you can go out to eat just try everything, i can go to a buffet still
but not eat what i used to eat but i do try everything, it just takes me much
much more time to eat my breakfest,lunch, dinner where it took us maybe 20
minutes to eat each meal now takes me an hour or more so now i enjoy my food and
taste it, so please take your time all and enjoy.
if you like you all can contact me by email or by phone it will be at the
bottom, take care and i congratulate all of you that have had this and welcome
you to the losing side of life and for you thinking of this, just do it!! and
life will be wonderful.
your friend in surgery
Christopher Carroll
7400 us highway 1 lot#7
micco Florida 32976
1-772-663-6972
MR1LIGHTHOUSE@...
WEIGHT WAS OVER 780 IM NOW DOWN UNDER 300

In a message dated 7/18/03 7:37:08 PM, zoes.mom@... writes:
<< Thanks for the calculator
I am not sure I did it right... you go to the site and put in your beginning
weight and your current weight? In t he middle right? If so I have lost
about 144% which sounds outragious to me... Can you send the site again too.
Thanks
Natasha
lap rny 11/19/02
340/236.5

Hi Carol Lynne
No, I saw a commercial on tv for the exercise program called the firm.
Lori Anne
pre-op lap rny
8/25/03

How often do people get blood test post op?
do it every year and I am not even a year out, and my PCP is not that fmiliar
with bypass so she says she is learning on me and she will do test when i say.
I have thought about getting a new PCP but I don't know how to go about
finding one who knows about bypass stuff. Plus I have not been able to navagate
the obesity help website to find physicans. Any other thoughts?? I would love
to know when to get blood tests.
Natasha Gittings,
lap rny 11/19/02
340/236.5

are you at goal now? How long has it been for you?
Natasha Gittings
lap rny 11/19/02
340/236.5

I think its on Sunday night
Allan

Mark if you have outlook express you go to Tools then Options then when you are
there there are several tabs. Click on signatures. Click on New and then type
your signature in the box and Click Apply.
Then everytime you want to add your signature go to Insert then Signature and it
puts it in your email automatically.
If you don't have outlook express I can't help you. Sorry
Chris B.
Surgery date 7/23/03
BTC/ Columbus OH
Dr.Stelmack
Open RNY

There is a special on tonigt on CBS at 7pm central time.
It will include the Gastric Bypass surgery and the Lap Band.
Hope everyone will tune in and catch it.
Becky- MS
Lap RNy preop
waiting for approval.

Hi Mark :)
Sometimes I type it in and sometimes I copy and paste it in. (I read
and respond to messages via the website.) If you are answering the
emails via your inbox, then your email program should have a way to
create a signature.
Hope this helps :)
Caroline
www.tinyurl.com/bkld

There's a space between gone and wrong I believe.
Hope this helps,
Caroline
www.tinyurl.com/bkld

Sometimes the responses to a post can be a LONG time after the
original post. It depends on when the respondent read it. Some
people read the posts here on the site, others get them "packaged" in
an e-mail, while still others get them as individual e-mails (those
people go insane!!....lol)
The easiest way to get back to the original post is to look at the
top of the message window just above the column headers. On the far
right is an option to view by Date or by Thread. If you select
Thread, it will list the original post and all responses.
Hope this helps.
Brian

Jody,
Be SURE to ask your surgeon these questions as they are good ones
and your doctor is the only one who can answer this for you...
Hope this helps,
Caroline
www.tinyurl.com/bkld

Artist...No, it's the other way around. Obesity can cause sleep
apnea because the loose skin in the throat blocks the airways. And,
where did you ever get the idea that WLS is tied to a certain life
expectancy? Clearly, your lifespan may be shorter if you don't have
it but this isn't like an organ transplant. There are no limited
years tied to the surgery. I think what you may be referring to is
that the weight loss associated with WLS may be time limited but, by
then, you should have been well along with chaging your eating habits
so that you won't regain the weight you lost.
Brian

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Weekly Group Chat!!
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Notes:

Karyn - I don't have any advice, but I am pulling for you and I said a prayer
for you. -- Jody

Hi all,
I was wondering if you each typed in your signature every time you
post a message or if you are able to pre-format it somewhere?
Thanks!
Mark

Wow! Lori Ann that is fantastic!!! You have every right to be proud of
your loss, especially since it is pre-op. Sounds like you have the right
attitude about this wls and that is always a plus.
I'm doing the same thing with my eating that you are doing with yours..
protein first then veggies (low carb ones) and getting the water in..
although some days I have to struggle to get those 2 qts in....but I have
discovered that when I'm not thirsty, if I brush my teeth with toothpaste my
mouth becomes dry and the only thing I'm willing to drink then is WATER...
go figure!
Keep up the good spirits sweetie....and your exercise plan sounds great...
is that something your hospital provides?
Carol Lynne in PA
pre-op

hi - can someone re-send that ossg-gonewrong site - i'm typing it like this
and not getting it so it must be different.
Tanya
visit our website
www.geocities.com/tanyarn96/countryside.html

Sould I take this instead of or in addition to the B-12 and iron shots my
surgeon instructed me to take monthly for 3 years. And while I'm at it, i'm
wondering why he says stop after 3 years? Why wouldn't I need it anymore? --
Jody
In a message dated 07/19/03 8:00:36 AM Central Standard Time,

It might sound odd, but when I look at posts they seem to repeat over
& over, and I cannot understand how to view the original post, then
read the responses to the original question. Anyone else got an
insight into this?

Do they try to blame sleep apnea for weight issues? Do I understand that we do
NOT want to be diagnosed with sleep apnea to be approved?
My Dr. said I have sleep apnea, and I believe I do (I'm told I snore like a
trucker).
I have degenerative disk disease. I am currently nursing myself through a week
long muscle spasm. It's hell to be like this. I can't bend down to pick up
anything.
My disk problems are compiled by the excess weight. So this is my main reason
for the WLS. My back never bothered me when I weighed less (years ago).
What is the life expectency post op? I've heard of some who have made it 20
years. Any others?
Just wondered.
artist

No.... Usually this is done to rule out sleep apnea, but if you
already know you do (or don't and you have none of the symptoms), it
may not be necessary.
:) Caroline
www.tinyurl.com/bkld

Hi Tanya,
Yes, I've had this happen with the smell as well... Hmmmm.... Unless
those soups are filled with fat and sugars, you should be able to
get them down ok. Have you spoken with your doctor to rule out a
stricture? Also, it is really important to get in more calories per
day because otherwise, most of the weight you will lose is coming
from your muscles and not fat. And your heart is a muscle so you
could end up with a heart problem. Please please PLEASE check with
your surgeon to rule out a stricture and figure out what you can get
down that will up your calories.
:) Caroline
Lap RNY 5/2/03
367/308/150
www.tinyurl.com/bkld

Karen I might be totally wrong here but what if you have what you want but only
one bite. Then do something to the rest of it right away so you won't eat
anymore. This way you are getting that taste but not all the calories. I think
the more you deny your self something the more you are likely to over do it.
Chris B.
Surgery date 7/23/03
BTC/ Columbus OH
Dr.Stelmack
Open RNY

I am so mad right now & so confused... depressed, you name it! I
have been approved by doctor for this surgery, have seen a surgeon
and gotten all my stuff together for insurance. Although, for my
insurance BCBS they wanted me to to see a shrink, that's fine - I
understand why they would want that. WHAT I DID NOT EXPECT was for
the insurance to place my surgery (was set for July 31st) on hold
while they get "additonal info" from the shrink. According to BCBS I
have to go back to him (have an appt this monday at 8am) and express
to him I am 100% for this surgery with NO reservations, and he in
return has to say he is 100% for this surgery with NO reservations,
problem is, he is saying he does not do that - he just evaluates
people and determining if someone needs it is not his job - though I
think what they want is just to know that mentally im ok. I am a
wreck. I feel like this is just never going to happen now and I dont
who im more mad at the - the shrink for not doing it right the first
time, or the insurance company for being slow and demanding on this.
I mean how much more clairification do you need that im 100% for this
surgery? -anyone else ever have this? Please, any advise would be
helpful im at SUCH A LOSS and have been crying for a week now :(

Lori Anne, you've got the perfect attitude going into this and that
is a sure sign of WLS success. You are just that much further in
your journey.
Toi

yippie!! congrads you go girl!!
Pamela
11/19/02
120 lbs gone!!
Miami

Does EVERYONE who is getting evaluated for WLS need to have this sleep study?

Hi everyone,
I belong to several groups and am cross posting this. I know that is looked
upon as a no-no, but please bear with me this time. I had open VBG/RNY (my Dr.
does a combo of the two) on 6/11. to date I have lost about 55 lbs. I seem to
have very little complications. The main complication is I eat too fast and
therefore eat too much. Heck, for all I know, I may have stretched my little
pouch already.
My main problem is 'demons'.....food demons. I cannot stop thinking of food.
I am obsessed with it, more so than before the surgery. I sat here the other
night and cried to my dear hubby because I wanted a Big Mac and fries! I feel
as if I am having a nervous breakdown. Food, food, food....I want food and lots
of it. I feel as if I'm possessed. I am not exaggerating in any way. Am the
only one that feels this way or has ever felt this way?
I welcome any and all suggestions. Please direct me in the right direction. I
can't go on like this. Thanks in advance.
Have a Blessed One,
~ Karyn ~
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

In a message dated 7/19/03 9:59:04 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
Grimmlah1@... writes:
You are doing excellent!! Keep up the good work and you will have that
surgery soon!
Kimmie
Lap RNY 12/19/02
343/211/135

Wendy
I think we had surgery the same day 7-8-03???
I read the soft foods you've had, have they gone down pretty smoothly? I can go
to soft foods next Tuesday. The only things I've had that aren't liguid are
cream of chicken soup and cottage cheese.
How are things going otherwise?
Michelle in OK
open rny 7-8-03

Hello Everybody
I just feel so good I had to share :o) I just stepped on the scale this
morning and I am at 275 lbs !!! You say yeah great so what and I say oh yeah!!!
giving myself a flying high five!! I have not even had my surgery yet that is
on August 25, 2003 and I have more than met my surgeon's requirement to lose 10
pounds by my surgery date. I started off this journey weighing in at 293 lbs
on 04/30/03 at my first consultation with the surgeon. Last month when I was
called in after completing all my pre-op test I was weighed and I weighed 280
lbs and I felt great and now following the eating lifestyle of a post-op by
eating protein first and plenty of water and no sugar I am down to 275 today.
I am hoping that by 8/25 that I will be between 260 and 270 lbs and that will
help kick start my weight loss after surgery because it my loss goes according
to my plan by November I should be between 210-220 lbs and more to normal
since I have been in 14 years since I had my daughter. By August of next year I
should be where I am supposed to be 130-150 lbs and I will never ever miss
being fat again.
I fully intend to start doing the exercise system called the firm after
surgery when my doctor gives me the go ahead. This system boasts that it can
tone,
firm and assist in burning off body fat with cardio and weight lifting
techniques. I also plan on buying a bike to ride outside and one for my
daughter.
I feel so good and I know that the choice for surgery is the best decision I
ever made.
This is the most weight I have ever lost on my own, but I am under no
delusion that I can take it all off myself and keep it off WITHOUT SURGERY.
Good Luck and Best Wishes to everyone on every step of this journey
Lori Anne
pre-op Lap RNY
8/25/03

At 4 weeks post op, I am still on a liquid diet with allowance for
malt o meal and cream of wheat. I have to be on this for another
week and a half to two weeks. I'm doing great but everything is
making me sick except for the cereals and that's a lot of carbs even
though I'm only eating about 200 cals per day. Here's the funny
part....when my hubby and kids eat something, say for instance last
night they had chinese food, smelling it makes me satied. Does that
make any sense? Just the smell of some food is enough for me without
eating anything. Am I just weird or what? I have tried to eat what
I'm supposed to like my cream of chicken, tomato or whatever soup
but they make me nauseaous and the only thing that stays down is the
hot cereal. So..how strange am I that just smelling normal food (and
I PROMISE I'm not eating any of it. It's not even tempting to eat!
Just love the smell) is enough to make me satisfied?
Another question, I've asked this before but did anyone stop snoring
IMMEDIATELY after surgery?
Tanya T.

In a message dated 7/19/2003 12:37:54 AM Central Standard Time,
ravigold@... writes:
Hey Vicky,
Read your post and got so tickled. I usually sleep on my side but I
prefer to sleep on my tummy. They will have to give me something to sleep I
sure.
I cannot imagine having all those wires hooked up to me. But one thing for
sure it cannot be near as stressful as the bs i have had to endure for the last
month. lol. But thats another story in and of itself, lol. Take care girl and
thanks for the early morning laugh. WOLFIE

In a message dated 7/19/2003 7:01:17 AM Central Standard Time,
sugarbritchez@... writes:
You are feeling what all of us are feeling especially when that date
gets closer and closer. But ya just gotta remember why ya got in the race to
begin with huh? lol. Everytime I get scared I just think of my purpose to do it.
To rid myself of my diabetes and hbp. Being thin and possibly finding Mr. Right
is an added bonus. Wouldnt you say? WOLFIE

Often people have difficulty sleeping in strange surroundings.
Especially when you all wired up like Frankenstein's monster....lol
There is a company called Sleep Solutions (http://www.sleep-
solutions.com/) that enables the study ton be conducted at your
home. They are headquartered in CA but operate nationwide.
The other nice thing about them is that they are QUICK!! You don't
have to wait for an appointment which can be rather time consuming.
Insurance company support varies but the number is rising because the
cost is about half of a clinical study.
Check with your PCP to get in touch with a local rep. And NO, I
don't work for the company....lol

Welcome to the group Angela. I'm sure you'll find a lot of great info
and wonderful friends here.
I occassionally pop a mint or sugarfree hard candy if I need to
moisten my mouth or just want a little sweet. Generally all it takes
is one to satisfy my need so I have never had enough to get the
laxative effect.
Toi
Lap RNY Medial Bypass
12/31/02
-101 lbs
St. Mark's Hospital
Salt Lake City, UT
Dr. Steven Simper

I want to thank you all for the warm welcome you gave
to me...
Wow! Chris you are really doing great on your weight
loss...down 133 lbs in 5 months...Congrats!!!
Question: Has anybody subscribed to the new
ObesityHelp magazine?? I just got my first issue and
I really like it..it is full helpful information, they
have recipes that we can use post-op and several
success stories...you might want to check it out. We
can never learn enough about this wonderful gift of
wls...<g
Since I am getting so close to my surgery date I am
slowly trying to get myself prepared to my new way of
eating after I am PO...Now I am gearing up to trying
to start my exercise routine now (as much as I can).
They say it really helps if you start pre-op as it
helps you heal faster and have more energy also.
To the newbies that have recently joined...this group
is fantastic...you will learn plenty here and you are
free to pick their brains too...lol
Thanks again everyone....
Carol Lynne
Pre-op

I was just wondering if anyone who has had the surgery.....when you
get a kankering for something sweet........have you ever tried those
little tiny mint/fruit things in the checkout lane at the grocery
store....they are sugar free and are sweet....Like the Orange Blitz
and the Fruit Smints? They are made with sorbital and the smints
say if you eat alot of them then they will have a laxative effect.
I was just wondering......I am scheduled for surgery on 7/29/03 and
getting mixed emotions....happy, scared, upset, excited.....I feel
like I am pregnant again.........Oh Dear Lord...Help me...LOL
Thanks,
Angela in Alabama

As of approximately 5 hours ago I am an official member of the
Century Club. I'm ONEderful (((felicia's phrase)))! I have lost 100
lbs on my journey towards a healthier, happier, more vital life!!!
just a few pounds and I will be in the hundreds. How thrilling is
that?
Toi
Lap RNY Medial Bypass
12/31/02
-100.5 lbs
St. Mark's Hospital
Salt Lake City, UT
Dr. Steven Simper

CONGRATULATIONS TOI YOU KEEP IT GOING GIRL ;O)
Lori Anne
pre-op Lap RNY
8/25/03

I sure love to find out all the great info before I go in I want to
say this was the besst site I have found that tells you the truth
about it all.I've been so worried and upset set about what I was
doing.But now with being able to talk and ask so many questions and
have friend I mean True friends like me to talk to and help me if I
have so many crazy questions that I need help with.I would have
already had my surgery but the doctors office were slow getting all
the info my insurance company need to approved me.As soon as they
got it I was aproved.Then after waiting to be aproved then find out
I'm on a waiting list for the Ry open surgery.But Thank God for
angels I only had to wait few days on the list.But then they said
that I couldn't get it until August 18, becuz Doctor was going on
vacation and also move into a bigger office was why not till that
date I was a little upset But I though at least I have a date and so
Far it's going a little fast Thank God But I'll have to go about 60
miles from home to Sioux Falls South Dakota for surgery so my
children well not be able to come visit me.But I'm hopeing to be out
in three days after surgery and be home again.The waiting is whats
killing me.I want to get it over and start the new life.I read some
people saying that they had so much trouble losing Wt # after is it
true ? are they doing something wrong are was it becuz they were to
heavy and it take time?I'm about 365 from the last time I was Wt#
will that make it harder to lose?

Early on you just keep trying to slowly increase your water quantity
as you do need to sip slowly etc. I found during week 2 that I went
to a glass and I was able to progress my water intake quite a bit
rather than drink out of a bottle. Even though I tried hard not to
take in air I must have been because I was belching awful and feeling
yucky. The glass got rid of all of this. I have been able to drink
out of a bottle just fine for about 2-1/2 months. I found by about 4-
6 weeks I was able to drink large quantities at once without
problems. The only issue I had was if I had not had a drink for a
long time, like overnight, I had to take a few small swallows first
and then I could gukp down whatever I wanted. If I didn't do the
small sips the pouch would revolt and I would feel like I was having
a heart attack for a few minutes till it started to work it's way
through the pouch. I don't know if I had to wake my pouch up or
what, but as long as I follow this protocol I had no problem.
You don't want to drink 30 minutes before or at least 30 minutes
after you eat. The rest of the time go for it. I am still not
consistent in my water intake but do find if I keep ice water handy I
do drink it a ton more. But I like it ice cold. I got a water
bottle that has a wide cap on it so I can put ice in. I still have
work at making sure I typically get the 64 oz.
Only 2 or 3 times have I accidently drank water while eating and your
pouch will let you know you screwed up. The best thing is not to
even put it on the table or near you when you are eating. It's to
easy to grab out of habit. Since most people are used to using water
to wash things down instead of chewing properly I found that early on
I used fat free gravy on lots of things to provide a little moisture,
especially when trying something new. I still need mushrooms and
onions and BBQ sauce on a cheeseburger to get it down. Otherwise
it's just too dry and I get sick.
Post-op eating is a learning curve. You will try some things and the
pouch will say NO!!! But try tiny bites, chew and then wait to see
how it sits before taking another bite. You eventually get to a
point where you know by the 1st or 2nd bite whether it is going to be
a problem or not.
You will do fine. Just take it easy and listen to your body. It's
the feedback you can get.
Chris D.
5'9" Age 42 BMI 65.3
442/309/Anywhere under 250 lbs
-133 lbs as of July 17th BMI 45.6
21 before surgery, 112 after
Open RNY-150 cm, 1/2 oz pouch - Feb 3, 2003
Surgeon - Raymond Georgen, MD - Neenah, WI

In a message dated 07/18/03 10:11:31 PM Central Standard Time,

Someone told me theres a liquid B-12 has anyone tried that? and Yes
the Water is scary thing too.How do we do it I was told that I can
only drink 1 oz every 25-30 mins.Is that ture and they said to stop
drinking about half an hour before eating.I'm worried I'll forget
what I'm doing and get sick alot. Thanks Deb

<< i
have copied and pasted your letter into word and if I ever get the
chance I will use it
please send me one too - i need a letter to go off of to re-send to the
insurance co.
please....
Tanya
visit our website
www.geocities.com/tanyarn96/countryside.html

i believe it is a pill you put under your tongue. i have heard a few
folks say it takes a LONG time to disolve though :-)
i am so worried about just getting my water, flinstones, and protein
in at this point that i havent even thought about b12 and all that
stuff yet :-)
XOXOXO,
Ginny
Open RNY, Dr. Newhoff 7-2-03
Starting weight: 287
Current weight: 258
ginny@...
http://www.bizcomsolutions.com/bypass

Why type is it ? Is it easier then the shots.

you're welcome, deb. keep up the dynamic progess.
lori h.

best of luck on the ins approval.
lori h.

hi, with good follow-up, you'll be just fine. your doc should give
you a list of supplements. & yes, i'm on B12 shots, but there's also
sublingual B12.
lori h.

With friends like all of you I know I'll get through this surgery
and anything that comes along the way.I have to two young daughters
9 and 11 years old whom can't wait for me to be thinner and healthly
& able to take long walks and swimming and fun things Mother &
Daughters do.My 11 year old was born 9lb 11 oz and she wt 134 lbs
now I'm also worryied about her as she gets older.I've been worryied
about getting through the surgery.My grandma was heavy just like me
and she died at the age 43 before I was born.So I know if I don't
lose this wt# I'll be just like her.Then my children wouldn't have
me to share there lifes.I'm worried about what the best for protein
and whats a good vitamin and Does anyone take Vitamin B12 shots? I'm
scared that I will not get what I need to stay healthly. Deb

Welcome Kim!
We are really pulling your people out of lurkdom lately, which is
great. I hope you get your approval soon and surgey soon after that.
If you don't mind please tell us a little about yourself. Do you
have anything on your mind that we can help with. I'm glad you have
found this group helpful so far.
Please stick around and don't go back to lurkdom.
Chris D.
5'9" Age 42 BMI 65.3
442/309/Anywhere under 250 lbs
-133 lbs as of July 17th BMI 45.6
21 before surgery, 112 after
Open RNY-150 cm, 1/2 oz pouch - Feb 3, 2003
Surgeon - Raymond Georgen, MD - Neenah, WI

Dear Lori,
Thanks for the calculator. I've lost 67.5% of my excess weight in 10 short
months...
live each day like it's your last... love like you've never been hurt...
Deb in Hazlet, NJ
"Debbie Dancer"
distal rny
September 3, 2002
386/237/160?
BMI 60/35/24?
-149
-69.5"
Angel to Bill (8/14/03), Debbie (waiting for a date) Ilene (6/26/03), Roy
(7/29/03) and Ro

Welcome Carol :)
Caroline
www.tinyurl.com/bkld

I assume if you are anemic that they have added iron supplements to
your regimine. If not, question them why. Being anemic will make
you real run down etc.
Congrats on the 70 lbs! Where in WI are you and who did your
surgery? You are right though, it was a beautiful day here today.
Hope it stays through the weekend.
I see my surgeon in about 3-1/2 weeks for my 6 months check up which
will really be closer to 6-1/2 months. Because I saw him so much the
first 3-1/2 months, due to my incision problems, I got goofed up on
the normal schedule.
Chris D.
5'9" Age 42 BMI 65.3
442/309/Anywhere under 250 lbs
-133 lbs as of July 17th BMI 45.6
21 before surgery, 112 after
Open RNY-150 cm, 1/2 oz pouch - Feb 3, 2003
Surgeon - Raymond Georgen, MD - Neenah, WI

In a message dated 7/18/03 1:43:14 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
kanapal12000@... writes:
Hi there. Good luck on getting the surgery :) I will answer your questions.
No I don't regret for one MILLI-second getting this surgery. It was kind of
rough in the beginning but I'd do it again in a heart beat.
The worst complication I've heard about is blood clots.
Can't answer your last one since I don't have any children.
Hope this helps some.
Kimmie
Lap RNY 12/19/02
343/211/135

Hi everyone, I am fairly new to the family and I've
been mostly lurking...I've decided to try to get more
pro-active in this wonderful family.
My name is Carol (there are a lot of us out
there..lol) so I will use my first and middle name
"Carol Lynne" when posting. I'll be 59 years young
(bd Sept 13th), I'm 5 ft tall and my BMI is 51 and my
current weight is 259.5....my highest weight was 275.
I've been going through the wls system since last Nov
and I'm beginning to see the light at
the end of the tunnel. I have Cap Blue and I just
found out yesterday that I've been approved for the

Have you tryed Cottage Cheese? scrambling an egg with water and
microwaving it? maybe some strained baby food veggies or strained
baby food meats? Just a though.. Audrey 3 days pre op and drinking
tons of liquids..