detox uric accid

2007-04-30 23:56:19

Hi all of you,
I have just been in Scandinavia and heard about a new product called Simply
Detox. This is a foot patch, which applied to the sole of the foot during
the night seems to drain out toxins of the body.URIC ACCID is one of the
accids proven to be drained out. It stimulates the reflex points at the same
time. There seems to be a lot of gout in scandinavia, so hope they are right
about this Simply Detox. Til now I only found their website
www.simplydetox.co.uk and was interrested in getting information from other
people about this product. Any one out there with experiences??????????????
Kind regards
Jako

Diclofenac... is it the most effective anti-inflammatory for Gout?

2007-04-30 12:56:46

I'm 27 and have suffered from gout for just over two years. I've had
around half a dozen attacks in this time, 3 of which I would class as
severe. My father was a gout sufferer but seems to have it under
control now that he takes allopurinol. When I visited the Dr I was
perscribed Diclofenac to take when an attack started. Does anyone know
if this can be mixed with any oter type of anti-inflammatory or pain
killer?

Coping with a Flare up

2007-04-30 10:22:50

Hi, all. I haven't posted on this forum for awhile--probalby
because I haven't had any major flare ups. Well, I just got over
one. I was practicually living on indo-meth for about 5 days. It
was my left knee, which is an unusual spot for me.
Well, now I'm better. One of the things that has gotten me throug
the flare up is music. I'm a blues musician (go figure), and I've
written a few tunes. I haven't tackled gout yet, but I will. Right
now, I'm just trying to stay off the topic of gout (I don't like
being reminded!).
Anyway, if you'd like to hear some of my music, please follow this
link: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/johnloundaginmusic.htm .
Thank you, all. And happy holidays!
John

Continued use of Colcicine?

2007-04-30 05:58:34

Hello everyone
3 years ago i suffered my first attack of gout which was swiftly
controlled with NSAIDs
I never went on Allopurinol and didn't get another attack till June
this year which was quite bad. My doctor gave me Arcoxia which
seemed to settle it down but my big toe still retained a certain
amount of swelling.
I then went on Allo (100Mg) and cut out all alcohol, meats, fish and
yeat products.
However every month i would get an attack.
My doctor presribed me Colchicine. During an attack i took it every
2 hours until i had reached the 6mg limit. The attack subsided and
he advised me to take 2 Colchicine a day while i got back on the
Allo.
I did that for a few weeks and seemed to be getting back to some
sort of normality, so i just went onto the once a day Allo tablets.
After a week of that i got another attack (last week). I started
taking Colchicine again to relieve that acute attack and stopped the
Allo. However, it doesn't seem to be working. It plays havoc with my
stomach and my big toe is still swollen and sore. I was never
overweight to begin with and have now lost quite a bit which is
worrying me.
I've read all sorts of reports on Colchicine and was wondering how
long one can take it safely.
When i was combining it with the Allo i felt quite/almost normal.
Could i do that indefinitely??
Sorry for such a long winded post
Desparate
Thanks!!!

On Being An "Outlier"

2007-04-30 03:31:19

Yup, I was diagnosed at 17 - i'm now 26.
daz

On Being An "Outlier"

2007-04-29 18:53:00

The author of the recent 'me and my gout' posting
indicated he was quite young at the time of
diagnosis and therefore less likely to have gout.
Its so easy for doctors to apply 'guidelines' and
focus only on horses, not zebras that we forget
sometimes that guidelines are just that:
guidelines, not solid walls wherein thoughts and
focus should necessarily remain.
I would have some doubt about the diagnosis and
would want a confirmatory bichromatic crystal
test, but I would still remember that very young
people can indeed get gout. Particularly if the
gout was caused by P. multocida transmitted by an
animal bite.

New file uploaded to gout

2007-04-29 16:21:18

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Gout Attack with no redness or tenderness ???

2007-04-29 06:38:25

Been on Allo for almost two months (300 mg). Several strange
problems for the last month. One day my right wrist and left ankle
started swelling simultaneously (after Mexican Food). Ankle
recovered in two days but wrist stayed swollen with no pain or loss
of function. Later I injured my wrist by picking up a heavy box ( 55
lbs). After a month it is finally improving.
My ankle started swelling yesterday (after climbing 4 flights of
stairs twice - had to for work). Now the ankle is very swollen with
no discoloration or tenderness. If I stay off of it for only a few
minutes it gets worse. Heat brings it back to normal for a short
time.
Second blood test showed that Uric acit had dropped from 9.4 to 6.7.
The Doc wants it below 6.0
I've had more problems since starting the Allo than before.
Off to the Doc in 2 days.
Any thoughts anyone ?? This is very starnge.

ME AND MY GOUT!

2007-04-28 21:08:08

hello to you all,my name is jamie, i am 30 years old and was first
diagnosed with gout in 1998 i think. Been on the A train regularly
since then! cant understand why i got it so early, my father and
grandfather both suffer from gout but they got it later on in life.
The pain has got considerably worse this year (maybe due to abusing
my body with food and alcohol!) its in my right ankle most of the
time, im off sick from work as i can't walk long distances or stay
on my feet for too long. had to retire from playing my beloved
football as well, which gutted me. Anyway, enough of feeling sorry
for myself, i was finally referred to a specialist last month and i
am currently on a new diet and havent touched the ale for 4 weeks.
ankle is still very painful, but the new regime, along with
allopurinol and indometacin, seems to be improving the situation.
going back to the hospital on thursday for test and x-ray results so
i will give an update then! in the meantime,any advice you might
think is relevant would be greatly appreciated!

bruises and allopurinol

2007-04-28 16:33:20

I'm taking 300mg of allopurinol, if I bruise my wrist. Will the
bruise start a gout attack? Do I continue to take the allopurinol or
let the bruise heal, before resuming the medication?

Tendonitis and Gout

2007-04-28 14:21:05

I've had attacks on the tendons in my thumbs. I have a theory, just my
own theory, that there is cartilage where tendons attach to bones, and
crystals can accumulate there and cause inflammation.

Tendonitis and Gout

2007-04-28 05:21:20

Does anyone know if there is any relationship between the occurrence
or cause of tendonitis and those for gout?
In the last few years I have had the growing symptoms of gout. My GP
picked up on this straight away - when I got round to seeing him -
and have been on 300mg of Allo for the past 6 weeks. However, about
the same time the gout was making itself felt I developed painful
inflammations in my both Achilles' tendons. These made me look an
arthritic old rooster walking on sharp stones when I get out of bed
in the morning or if I sit still for more than an hour or so.
I noticed that the tendonitis seemed to come and go pretty much in
sync with a gout attack and wondered if the 2 were related in some
way.
All the best,
Dan.

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Tophi

2007-04-27 16:46:24

Does anyone have experience with tophi? I have a bruise on my shinbone,
a spot where there's just skin over bone, that I've had for a year. I
fell and bruised it and it has been sore ever since. Now it has
developed a hard lump on the bruise that has just come up and is
growing. The area is tender and has been since I fell. I'm wondering if
it could be a tophus. I'm also wondering if urate crystals started
forming there right after I fell and that's why it hasn't healed.
I'm going to have them biopsy it next week, so I guess I'll find out
then. Just wondered if anyone else has had experience with something
like this.

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How long gout free

2007-04-27 01:00:46

Good question and do you know when the war in Iraq will end or for
that matter when the next major shift in the climate of antartica
will happen.
My 6 year estimate is based on a pure guess and I really don't know
norcan anyone. The probelm you face with what I perscribe is that
your body, although relatively constant today, may, and will probably
change in 6 years.
Specifically, there are many of us who produce so much uric acid from
decomposition of out own body mass, that it doesn't matter what we
eat, the uric acid load on the kidney system is just greater than
that system can handle.
In other words, if you were on a diet of pure sugar and sufficient
protein, as pure protein with no DNA or RNA cellular material
included, (yes that kind of diet is available but it is very
expensive), sufficient lippid material, fats, all the required
minerals and vitamins, to maintain weight and sustain life-not a
very healthy diet, as I am sure you know, and in that diet you were
taking in absolutely no extraneous DNA or RNA, that is no external
source of Uric acid, your own body decomposition would flood your
system with uric acid and you will still get gout. In other words,
there are people for whom gout is just a fact of life. In fact you
and Arnold fit the mold for people that make uric acid without the
need to eat it in your diet and for you two in particular,
allopurinol is literally a life saver.
Secifically you both developed gout at a much younger age and both of
you were in good shape whtn the symptoms occurred. If you were 55 and
25 pounds over weight, like me when mine hit, then there is a good
probability that I could lose the weight, eat right and get back into
the zone where my kidneys were able to clear what I ate without help.
For those of us in my situation look at it this way, if you are over
weight it means that you are eating too much stuff. In that stuff
there is a lot of uric acid precursor. If your normal weight is 175
and you let it go to 200 you probably consume more than 100% more
food than you need to maintain your weight at 175. But, remember
this, your kidneys are sized for a man of 175 pounds and you are
eatinbg for two men that size. So, if a normal diet that will
maintain weight at 175 has 15% of the uric acid load that your
kidneys have to get rid of, your extra food will add another 30%
which is actually much higher because it is 30/85 of the total load
or 35%. In other words, us fat guys, can lose the weight, reduce the
total food we eat and reduce the load on out kidneys significantly.
Moreover, as OPC wants to do, you can also reduce the total purene
content of the intake which will reduce the total even further and
should allow you to go to something near a 5%-10% excess uric acid
intake above and beyond what your body puts out.
The problem with OPC and Arnold is that they are not over weight and
their uric acid output, as a percentage of total weight, is a lot
higher than most of us.
Lets examine these two en's histories for similarities and there is
an important message in there that we need to understand.
Both men claim, and I see no reason to doubt it, that they are
physically very active. Lots of exercize and in good shape.
OK, what does that mean. Well, no pain and no gain and it means that
they are working their muscles, probably over time and what does that
do. Exercize breaks down muscle tissue. It is how the system works.
When you break down muscle tissue it gets digested by your body and
voila--extra uric acid load on the system. You could just stop
ecercizing, get a cot in a room and lie there-like you probably do in
the middle of a really bad attack, and never move your muscles, hold
them perfectly still and you could reduce your uric acid output.
There are some speculations in the literature that this is probably
one of the ways gout patients actually get better because the illness
immobilizes them to the point that their life slows down, so does the
uric acid production and they get better.
You have to ask yourself if that is the kind of life you want to
live. If this were 1775 and you were Benjamin Franklin, that would be
your only alternative but it isn't that time and we do have
allopurinol now and especially for young, and other wise healthy
people, who develop gout, the prognosis for getting better with diet
only is almost completely hopeless. For us older fatties, we could,
in all probability, get to where we do not need the allo but I for
one don't want to go through the pain I know I would suffer if I fail
in my quest.
I haven't cried on shoulders here about how bad mine was but I
retired and started a new business that I had always wanted to do
which was professional photography. I had a good start in the wedding
photography business and had many weddings scheduled when I was
struck down with gout.
MMMm, running after a bride with a camera and limping all the way is
just not possible and I ended up having to get a photographer friend
to take over the business for me since I ended up on a six month
hiatus from life as I used to know it.
Since allopurinol I have regained my old life, restarted my
photographic aspirations and I am enjoying my second career
immensely. If your interested look at www.smdsphotography.com and
you'll see some pretty ladies as they go through the ceremonial
process. I love the work because the young ladies are the age of my
daughters and it is just very rewarding. I do it because I love it,
not because I need the money I get from it, and in fact, I price my
work about 1/3 below market because I want the business but don't
need to milk the dollars.
I bring this up, not because I am pushing my work, but because I am
stating my passion and that passion was brutally and completely taken
away from me by the gout monster. Can you imagine trying to cover a
big wedding with a major attack. I mean when a trip to the bathroom
is a major undertaking, trying to remember which exposure to use and
how to balance the light and when to shoot what and where to be, was
just an impossible situation.
Allpurinol has restored my dignity, my faith in myself and the
measure of happiness and self worth that has come wtih it is hard to
measure.
What I am going to say next may shock some of you but I would gladly
trade 15 years of life as I can now live it for 25 years of agony
with gout. If I knew that allo was going to shorten my life by 10
years out of 25, I would still chose to live it as the person I
really am rather than the person that I become when I am wracked with
pain, left completely immobile and afraid to eat almost anything.
Reality however, is that allo does not statistically shorten life and
the longevity data indicate that it will actually do the reverse, it
will lengthen your life because it ends up helping and actually
repairing your circulatory system. Allopurinol is reqularly
perscribed now in major heart surgeries because it improves your
ability to heal.
Enough... I'm tired of fighting with peop-lw who want to live with
their poain and by damn each and every one of you has an inalieable
right to keep that pain for as long as you can.
Yes, indeed, I believe in life, liberty and the persuit of pain and
long live the diet-only crusaders, may they limp long and find
comfortable pillows on which to rest their feet. Meanwhile, I'll be
shooting my cameras.

Colchicine

2007-04-26 17:01:23

HI!
I have just placed a prescription for colchicine with my doctor.
Because my gout is being stubborn and the pain wont clear up,
What are the pitfalls etc of taking this drug, is it best used over
a short period to get over the worst?
Regards
Martin

how much allopurinol

2007-04-26 09:06:15

Hi all!
Help please......
how much Allo is a safe dose.....
Is more better?
because I have been suffering with the usual big toe joint pain for
over three weeks and it is just driving me to despair!!!
Is their any way of clearing this consistant attack quickly?
I have been prescribed Allo (300mg daily) & Indomethacin (50mg)x3
times a day.
But it is not clearing it!!!!
Any help would be very much appreciated.
Kind Regards
Martin.

New here

2007-04-26 04:10:06

Hi, I thought I would come on here and tell my experience with gout.
I'm 51 years old and in what I always considered average shape, few
extra pounds, especially since I quit smoking.
I woke up one morning last spring with what I thought was a foot
cramp, since it didn't go away I thought that maybe a sprain of some
kind. By the time I was ready for work, walking was pretty much out
of the picture, my foot felt like somebody attacked it with a dull
ax. With the help of an Ace bandage I was able to function, and I
got plenty of advice that what I had was heel spurs. After a couple
weeks of the foot pain, my toe became very sore, seemed like just a
look at it would set me off in a painful scream,let alone somebody
here thinking I needed to put it in ice water. A trip to the doc
confirmed that I had gout, uremic acid level was around 10. I was
given a regimen of a steroidal drug for pain and then I started
Allopurinol, my uremic acid level has droped to about 6.
Since my first attack I always seem to have stiffness in my feet, I
had an attack in the ball of the other foot, once in my hand and
this past week I had it in my shoulder. This is just my experience
and I wanted to share that it is not always the toe that is
affected. End of story.

Gout for new members..

2007-04-25 23:19:30

Hi and welcome!
Your first introduction to gout INVOLVES a trip to a
hospital,clinic,Dr,There they will determine if it is indeed
gout.This can be positively determined with a sample of the joint
fluid.A real pro with gout can "see" someone with ball breaking
pain.Nothing is in that league.The red,shiny skin,the focal point of
pain being like a needle HAMMERRED and then wiggled in the joint.NOT
a dull overall pain.AGONY with the weight of a sheet on it.A SUDDEN
EXPLOSIVE! pain upon not long after waking.A pain that leaves you
wracking your brain how this happened??
Another test is colchicine..this is a popular test with
pros.Colchicine pretty much only works on gout..although yes it does
have a few other uses(modern ones)colchicine for gout goes back about
2 to 3,000 years.An understanding of the mechanism of gout/colchicine
confirms this.If you take the colchicine and keep it in and the pain
goes.You probablly have gout.
The next phase is the ULTRA CRITICAL one.
You need blood uric acid level tests.Ideally one at the time of
the attack..one a few weeks after..one several weeks after.The last
one should tell you that at this blood uric acid level you are in BIG
trouble.This is the level(different for everyone) this is your
normal/average/everyday level.At THIS level the uric acid in your
blood is somehow(method unknown to date..NO guess's even on the
horizion)getting into your joint area.And crystalizing.What you need
to do is REVERSE to flow of uric acid OUT of your joints.
This is done by lowerring the blood uric acid level by 20 to 30%.
FAILURE to do this is pretty much guaranteed the road to hell.
WHATEVER method works is ok.
The uric acid level should be checked every several months.
In otherwise fairly healthy people..NO method has ever succeded in
attaining this OTHER than uric acid control drugs..allopurinol is the
most popular one.Probenicid is an older one.There are some new ones
out there.
You either lowerer the blood uric acid level by 20 to 30% or you
will be FU**ED by this horrible disease.It does not go away.Ever.When
it lays dormant it is only gatherring steam.The longer it lays
dormant the worse the attack and harder it is to control and greater
the permanent damage.
TIME AND TIME AGAIN..people come to this group and start
AGGRESSIVELY RUDELY attacking other members..some of whom are
practically authorites on the subject of gout.
They ALWAYS have some hare brained old wives tale..based
on "faith"/sin/gluttony/drinking alcohol/diet/triggers.
They ALWAYS come with a bag of denial in treating their illness.
They ALWAYS come with their OWN "cure"..TOO OFTEN with
anecdotal,baseless references.
NEVER,EVER,EVER in the several years that I have been here
regularly has EVEN ONE person brought EVEN ONE item..1 shred of
proof/medical evidence/science that the..or their..and with the
respected lab tests that something has lowerred the blood uric acid
level by the required amount.
These situations ALWAYS! degenerate into one side with CLEAR
DOCUMENTED ACCEPTED RESPECTED PROOF..help for the gout sufferer
The other side is ALWAYS holding a bunch of worthless information
WITHOUT A SHRED OF PROOF..and worse..legions of needless sufferring
by those that have headed..and for sure some will..down that road.
We are here to help people..each other..pass around
ideas/JOKES/FUNNY! stories..SUCCESS stores..stories of
foolishness/STUPIDITY(ahh..hem) in the treatment of gout.
I am usually not far from email/here.
I am NO longer going to WASTE ANY more of my time..in these
RIDICULOUS discussions/explanations..arguing with ANYONE over utter
NONSENSE..
Matter of fact..I am NOT even going to react/post to anyone or
thread about stuff that is moronic.
I am an expert in gout.AND A SERIOUS! sufferer.I have posted
extensively.I will be QUICK off the mark in helping with an answer to
complicated queries..
But this other nonsense..I am simply not going to waste my time
AGAIN getting into long detailed technical
explanations/arguements/defences over for example cherries.Those
posts are there and can be looked up.
NEW IDEAS!..HEY!!! if ANYONE EVER comes across NEW gout
stuff/research..IF it's from a RESPECTED source..PLEASE let me
know..I am the FIRST to delve into that stuff.
I am going to use this post as a reference..and remember it..and
where it is..so that I can simply,quickly,and easily direct people so
that we can move forward..NOT waste time and be of even greater help
to those in dealing with this terrible affliction.
Best..Arnold..

NSAIDS and gout

2007-04-25 18:28:14

people think?
There are very few studies of nsaids use in
treating gout, most have very small numbers of
participants and are very short term studies.
There is some evidence to indicate that some
NSAIDS have fewer adverse effects than others in
gout patients, but the really interesting studies
are the ones that take the people off the nsaids,
get their uric acid levels down and find that
they no longer have attacks of gout.
There is little question that NSAIDS are bad for
the kidney, particularly if there is long term
use.

The ten commandments of gout

2007-04-25 11:50:48

the ten gout commandments (and tongue firmly in cheek)

thou shalt take allopurinol

thou shalt drink water

thou shalt take an nsaid or colchicine when you get a twinge

thou shalt not drink caffeine

thou shalt not eat high purine foods

thou shalt not injure an old injury (thus triggering gout)

thou shalt not eat red meat cheese and port (unless you are on the "A" train)

thou shalt eat cherries tree bark and herbal crap by the wheelbarrow full (if you are not on the "A" train) but still get gout anyway.

thou shalt not check your uric acid level ( just stick your finger in the wind and wait for your next attack)

thou shalt not get stressed out

AND COMMANDMENT NO 11

thou shalt not piss off walter and arnold et al, with silly nonsense (LOL) on this gout board ( or maybe you should ! as there replies are entertaining, but very educational)

Here endeth the lesson

(no subject)

2007-04-25 02:57:01

I am on allo 300mg , wonderful ! no more severe gouty attack and have been eating all sorts coffee ,chocolate, red meat ,cabbage ,peas !!! can anyone tell me if I follow through a strict purine free diet ,plenty of water and the allo .Will it help to control the uric acid ? and if it does, will I be able to reduce the dosage of allo ? what is the maximum dosage ? what is the long term side effects ? can I have some answers please ???

One toke over the line..

2007-04-25 00:02:52

The topic of "borderline gout blood uric acid levels" comes up often.
It should be addressed.
Borderline gout blood uric acid levels are the AVERAGE levels that
you have during your life.
Forget attack phases.IF you have had ONE gout attack.You have WAY
too much uric acid in your joint area..and it has
crystalized.Crystals don't leave until drug treatment.THEN you get
your blood uric acid level checked.A few times.
This tells you that you have CLEARLY passed the point where too
much uric acid is getting into your joint area.Too much to the point
that it has crystalized.
The treatment of gout involves WHATEVER method works..do WHATEVER
you have to..NOBODY is against DIET..OR ANYTHING ELSE!..I will
AGGRESIVELY!! challenge ANYONE on those points.
The successful treatment is the lowerring of those levels by 20 to
30% AND into the low average range.This allows the uric acid to start
GOING THE OTHER WAY...BACK into the bloodstream..while at the same
time allows for "blips" in the level.
Flirting with disaster allows the individual to stay close to that
range..WHY???? does anyone want to stay close to the level..KNOWING
that THAT level is dangerous..particularly so when it is simply NOT
known how much uric acid is dumped into the joint area.
We do know ONE thing..ONCE that uric acid has enterred the joint
area..pretty much the ONLY way back to where it belongs is with the
lowerriing of the blood uric acid levels by the above amounts.
Those that have had an attack or two..and don't get help..don't
have another for a while..KEEP their crystals..
They'll come in handy for another day..

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Gout and drugs

2007-04-24 03:17:22

If you have gout you have to take drugs.
The WHOLE idea of taking drugs is to KEEP them in your system so
they can do their work.
Doesn't do much good..or NEARLY as much good if you take the
drugs..then end up with the runs soon after.Bye bye drugs..haven't
had time to work..long enough..flushed out of the system down the
toilet.You with the runs..dehydrating(the WORST way) only INCREASING
your uric acid level.
When you need the drugs for attacks..forget the purine/diet
stuff.Eat what plugs you up..and takes a long time to digest.Sits in
your stomach..allows the drugs to get in your system/STAY in your
system..do their work.What you can add(to the uric acid level) with
purine is NOTHING compared to what you WILL add with
dehydration.PLUS the drugs are NOT in your system.

few q's

2007-04-23 18:38:41

hi all,
Does anyone on here have a relatively constant attack?
I havent felt completely free for about 3 months now,
and often am limping around. I take 75mg diclofenac
(under the arthrotec brand) twice a day most of the
time, but I dont want to start allo because i have
read (on here, i think) that the allo CAN cause gout
to flare up worse.
So what do i do when there isnt a gap between attacks
in which to start on the allo?
daz

Griseofulvin for gout ?

2007-04-23 13:58:38

Subject: Re: Griseofulvin for gout?
Perhaps if I simply rephrased it to: Is
Griseofulvin safer than allopurinol?

hi all

2007-04-23 06:56:25

Hello,
Sorry havn't been on much things are a little weird here. I am back
on alloupurnial (I can't spell). And don't think its helping much. I
think the gout decided that the big toes were not big enough for it
and move into my left ankle. Which really sucks cause I have a real
real bad case of tendicits in that foot. I can relate to more pain
into the legs I do excerise every other day to rebuild my muscle mass
that I loss due to my kindeys. They are simple stretches, and been
doing them since sept. I have not been able to add any new amounts I
am still using the lowest amouts. Lately my legs have been having
more and more trouble doing these exercises I thought it was just me.
When I do my legs lifts my knees hurt so bad and I feel they want to
lock up. I have a doctors appointment next month So I will be bring
that up. Well that's about it on my end Hope everyone has a great day.
MArtha

Back on the colchicine

2007-04-23 01:13:51

Fallen off the "A" train last June..got back on, ok for a while/
started occassional weakness/instability left leg. Kept feeling more
and more like my leg was going to collapse..not support me.It felt
wobbly,weak.Yeah..kind of scary..VERY un-nerving.This came and went.I
was unable to isolate when/what factors were involved.At times there
was a feeling that the muscles around the knee..and supporting it
were tired/weak..fine tremors that you get from exhausted muscles.It
seemed to occur ONLY at that point when going from full extension
BACK to bending it slightly.From there on it felt ok.
Anyway..it was time for medical intervention.I had guessed some
type of nerve problem..and a tests/neurological etc.
I am very fit,healthy,perfect diet..blah blah blah
A whole rheam of blood tests.
Rhuematolgist confirmed muscle atrophy at the bottom of the quad
and basically in the surrounding area..ligaments etc just above the
knee.Muscle atrophy when you spend an hour literally every day hiking
in the ravine with your dog at a elveated heart rate.Not good.I had
heard and read that allo can cause this..I had maybe guessed this.
ALL the tests going back to my pre-gout pre allopurinol days were
meaningless.They were ALL pretty much identical..the ONLY difference
was a 30% reduction(continuous/constant) drop in uric acid
levels..from 4.5 to 3..(allopurinol)
I also at times cycle hard and ski hard a LOT winters.
The rheumatologist figured that with the uric acid that low it was
highly unlikely that my body was adding anything to the uric acid
that was there.(PERHAPS? I need to add some grain alcohol..HAHA)He
figured this problem was the result of uric acid that was already
there..been there for a LONG time.The sheer amounts unable to be
determined..BUT somehow? they had to find their way back into the
bloodstream.They had moved around and ended up here..just above the
knee.He said this was a common spot for uric acid deposits.
Once there..basically at the base of the quad just above the
knee.The base of the quad,ligaments are more or less saturated in
uric acid.There are the factors of reduced circulation,the actual
white blood cell activity..there could be crystals..OR a mix of
crystals(phagocytes)(( the resultant death of cells involved in the
battle..mixed with white blood cells)) there could be some tophi.I
asked him about screaming heart rates and SEVERLY loading the
quads..only adding to the problem of excess uric acid being added at
source.He wasn't sure about that but felt that exercise clearly would
do no good..and NOT to do strenuous exercise for fear that the knee
could end up at a weak angle and be exposed.I did have pretty strong
quads..at one time being able to machine leg press 750 lbs..and crack
2 minute half miles(1.52 best..woo hoo).My last bout of crippling
gout..right before allopurinol saw me lose 6" off my quads..30 -
24.He figures that the nerve endings in the area are simply being
exposed to too much crap..and this has and is affecting
their "firing"..and they are shutting down..atrophi.He feels that
with this nonsense going on there has to be white blood cell activity
and there has to be that whole problem of excess uric
acid/crystalization/phagocytes/tophi perhaps/impaired
circulation/nerve end problems/perhaps ligament problems.
"Dunh de dun"(horn trumpet please)..the almighty colchicine to the
rescue.He figures that this will "seperate" the "combatants"..and
allow the "road to be cleared"..
And I THOUGHT I HAD!! my year and half on colchicine..
On pretty careful review of this..it simply cannot be determined
from tests actually when I was on/off the colchicine.Had really no
effect.OTHER than to "save"(LOL the ONLY time I have been "saved")
me from the horrors of gout.
Plan is a couple of "hits" a day for a few weeks.IF I get a day or
two with no problems then I am CLEARLY on the right track..and from
there..it is a year of twice a day.
True..I don't have to go with this plan..and I COULD seek a
different way.I simply do not know enough about this to know/begin
where to look.One thing is FOR SURE!..this is BAD and a couple of
weeks of colchicine isn't going to hurt.I AM GOING to do that much
anyway.This is CLEARLY a deal with this NOW situation(ski season is
coming..ROFL..LMAL...HEHEHAHA)HOPEFULLY I can being some muscle
regeneration soon..BY SKIING.
I know that there are some STRONG! opinions on colchicine..and
there have been some rather "testy"..OK OK..arguments.My opinion has
been..take it if you have to.I feel that I now AGAIN have to.
I OF COURSE! WELCOME! any opinions,advice,help..
Thanks again..Arnold..(skier down but NOT! out)

Griseofulvin for gout?

2007-04-22 15:40:59

Has anyone been Rx'd Griseofulvin for gout or
taken Griseofulvin for a different reason and
noticed any effect on gout?
As long as there was no hypersensitivity reaction
to pennicillin would Griseofulvin be safer than
allopurinol?

Joint/bone repair from gout damage

2007-04-22 13:33:29

In a conversation with a rhuematologist yesterday.This is
possible.It is being done/tried.It has been seen on x-rays and in
other tests..bone density etc.Not only has bone growth been
revitalized BUT a new substance has clearly been added/bonded to the
surface areas..where previous erosion from uric acid has
occurred..perhaps encouraging the growth.This does not always
work.And it is not known how or why it works.The factors that
determine how/when/who it will work for have not yet been isolated.So
far the ONLY way/method is a mixture of allopurinol and
colchicine.Individually both of these do NOTHING for this..BUT
TOGETHER..
Anyway..thought I'ld pass this along to the group.

pain

2007-04-22 00:24:56

hi
i've had gout for about ten years but i don't take regular
medication, i tend just to take a lot of nurofen when the pain
gets bad . Anyone know of any side affects of taking a lot
{ by a lot i mean 20 to 40 a day )
thanks
horgay

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stomach upset

2007-04-21 17:24:37

Hi all!
Been on Allo for six months and find it really upsets my stomach!
Is this a common problem?
I am on Indomethacin 50mg x3 times a day, which Definitely upsets my
stomach, but stopping Indomethacin when the inflamation has gone
down! I still seem to have an upset stomach!!
Also still getting twinges as though the gout is just waiting round
the corner to start at a moments lapse........
Any ideas please.
I feel as though I will never conquer this underlying problem.
Regards
Martin

Tests are back!

2007-04-21 15:10:40

Drum roll please.....
Uric Acid = 5.9 Woohooo!
Down from 9.9 a little over a year ago!
For those that have read about my dieting/weightloss etc., my total
cholesterol count was 163.
My triglycerides are 184 (thats on the high side-doc says eat less
fatty foods)
HDL Cholesterol is 35 (thats on the low side-doc says shake your butt
more)
LDL Cholesterol is 91 (its all good)
**I have thanked Arnold before and I want to say thanks again. Without
your informative posts, I wouldn't have had the knowledge to make the
necessary changes to my own medical treatment and achieve the virtually
gout pain free existance I live now. We would be rich men if we
followed my "herbal" idea...1 pill...1mg cherry extract,299mg
a-train...viola..gout free for the masses.**

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Allopurinol side effects

2007-04-21 00:48:36

What are they?
How long have you been on it and what side effects
are you, or anybody else on this list, experiencing?

Allo causing multiple joint problems ???

2007-04-20 13:48:29

I've been on Allo almost one month. Up to 300mg for two weeks now.
I've never had a full gout attack, but I have a history of joint
pain in an injured right foot. Developed knee stiffness -- doc
checked my uric acid and put me on allo.
Since starting the allo, my knee feels great. However, I've been
having intermittant pain/swelling in both feet (not at the same
time) and one wrist.
Last week, I felt swelling starting in my left wrist and right
foot.
It passed in about 24 hours. I have had problems with this wrist
before.
It's as though the problem moves from joint to joint - very strange !
My "good foot" is having problems that it never had before Allo.
I never had these intermittant multiple joint problems until
starting the allo. They respond very quickly to cold treatment.
None of these swellings show any redness or skin sensitivity.
I have never had a problem with two joints opposite each other at
the same time. ( as in RA )
Fortunately, I have good days with minimal or no problems.
I want to use the Allo but this is all very strange. I do drink
alcohol on occasion (no beer) -- I'm going to stop completely and
see if this improves.
Had another blood test last week -- but no results yet.
Any input will be greatly appreciated.

List of purines in food.

2007-04-20 09:46:54

Thank you. I've been searching for a quantitative
listing rather than those insultingly babyish
qualitative listings for a long time too.
Even though dietary intake of purines may play a
rather modest role in the total amount of purines
that we have, dietary intake can be enough to
induce an attack if we are already near our
physiological limits.
I don't watch my dietary intake closely enough
but I still want precise data rather than the
nonsense that is usually available.

Gout and Flying

2007-04-20 07:05:31

Has anyone noticed that flying - esp. long haul, 6+ hours - acts as a
trigger for gout attacks?
With the work I do I regularly - every 1 to 2 weeks - take long haul
flights. These always leave my ankles swollen, sometimes for a few
days. Very often as the swelling goes down I start a gout attack.
Anecdotally, I have noticed that many of my colleagues in similar jobs
who fly a good deal also complain of gout.
Thanks and regards,
Dan.

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correct purine link

2007-04-19 16:20:02

Hi!
Not sure what happened!! but below hopefully is the correct link.

Regards
Martin

www.britishdalmatianclub.org.uk/downloads/Purine%20Table%202003.htm

List of purine in foods

2007-04-19 11:08:29

Hi.
Below is a link of the amount of purines in food,
May be of interest to some of you guys!
Regards
Martin
http://www.britishdalmatianclub.org.uk/downloads/Purine%20Table%
202003.htm

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still suffering

2007-04-18 21:48:04

Hi all!
I could do with some input please....
I have had gout for about 2 years.
I am on Allo (300mg)daily. and Indomethacin 50mg)(Which I stop when
an attack clears up).
But still have attacks (having one at the moment)
I drink a lot of water........
Is their anything further I can do to prevent these constant attacks?
Should I increase any dosages?
(I can hardly walk at the moment)
Kind Regards
Martin

Another doctor

2007-04-18 13:53:52

I'm happy to report that I will be (finally) taking a blood sample this
wednesday. I haven't had a blood sample in over a year and I'm very
curious to see my results after increasing my dosage to 300mg daily.
Hopefully I will be able to start ice hockey next season!
Sadly, my general practictioner has some old school beliefs in regards
to food, alcohol, etc. He's mostly on the right track with dehydration
but he is a colchicine pusher. How ironic would it be if he were to
have gout and started the colchicine gobbling. I don't think he would
push that for much longer instead of allopurinol. We both agreed that
we have different view points on this and he was more then willing to
get my blood tested and continue my medication at whatever strenghts I
needed.
Stay tuned for results!
~Joe

Abnormal Liver Function-update

2007-04-18 08:11:35

Update - 10/13/04
Well dropping the NSAID Diclofenac did not make a difference. So the doctor
told me to stop the Allopurinol which I have for about 1 1/2 months now.
After four weeks of stopping my Liver function results in my blood test
started to coming down. We are going to recheck another four weeks. We are
not sure which of the two drugs caused the problem. Currently I am only on
colchicine. So no protection from rising Uric Acid. So I hope to get the
liver function back to normal range to restart Allopurinol again. I intially
started the drug on 4/2/2003.
I highly recommend that you keep up your blood testing while you are on the
drugs. You should be getting tested every 4 to 6 month to see how your body
is going to react to the drugs.
Take Care
Michael ValeCruz
FROM 8/7/2004 ----
I recently did a blood test to get a new insurance policy. Which
they have denied till I can get my Liver Functions back to normal. My
rheumatologist, thinks it was the NSAID, Diclofenac that is doing it.
Which I have been on a daily maintenance dose for close to a year
now. Back in May, my doctor told me to slowly drop the Diclofenac but
to use it when ever any twitch of pain comes back. But now with the
abnormality, my doc has said to stay off of it for three weeks then
he will redo the blood test.

Allopurinol causing stress

2007-04-18 07:30:28

Hi friends,

My father suffers of gout and when he takes allopurinal regurlarly, he gets nervous and stressed. So, he avoids using it and uses other "alternative solutions", like natural herbs, that are not very effective.

Is there any scientific reason for that?

Is there any way to combate this side effect?

With best regards,

Luis Santos.

newbie with question

2007-04-18 02:57:31

Hi everyone,
I'm new to the wonderful world of gout my husband was diagnosed in
the ER last night. We were hoping he just had a stress fracture.
They didn't draw fluid out of the joint to look for crystals, and
his blood work came back within normal levels. But I understand from
reading a few posts here that the blood work could look normal
during an attack, and the ER doc was convinced by the rapid onset of
the pain and swelling. We also found out today that there is a
family history of gout.
They gave him an NSAID and an antibiotic and he'll have an
appointment later in the week with our family doctor. But we're
hoping someone can answer a question in the meantime.
He was told to avoiding weight bearing, elevate the foot and use
warm compresses. Is this for comfort or also to shorten the attack?
He's continuing with usual activities - managing to walk by putting
weight only on the outside of his foot (the gout is in his big toe.)
I'm wondering if this might prolong the attack or damage his foot.
Cindy

kidney stone

2007-04-17 23:19:16

Hi everyone
While surfing the web I stumbled over this picture, it shows a
kidney stone of crystallized oxyprurinol*
Is this some unknown side effect of allopurinol or just as a result
of impaired function of that specific kidney? I like to hear
everybody's opinions.
Here's the link: the picture is the fifth one starting from left.
http://www.herringlab.com/photos/Urinary/Drug&Met/
* Oxypurinol is a by-product of allopurinol which stays more in the
bloodstream and the main inhibitor of the xo enzyme which turns
xanthine into uric acid.

Somehow "positive" view

2007-04-17 13:56:58

Hi everyone, I'm new in this group and I like to share my experience.
I'm 24 now and I was diagnosed with gout in Jan. 03 by chance after
I felt something wrong with my wrist I immediately talked to my
doctor and he suggested to make a blood test, surprise surprise my
uric acid level was 10.4 !! so I was prescribed allopurinol 300 mg
daily in 2 weeks it become 5.8 I reduced my weight from 111 kg to
89kg and reduced my purine intake so I maintained 4-5 uric acid
level. In November 03 my silly doctor suggested I lower the dose to
100 a day which obviously raised my acid levels now I work in the
oil industry and it requires me to exercise my body/joints alot,
During several days I overworked myself and had pains in my right
knee and left middle index finger which became sore and sensitive to
exercise. in Feb. 04 I was back on 300 mg allopurinol again and
never changed it since, I tried new selective NSAIDS but they had no
effect on my pains, I tried indocin which gave me alternating
constipation, flatulence and diarrhoea then I switched to oruvail
200 mg only taken when needed which got the job done with fewer side
effects. I made extensive research on possible treatments, right now
I daily alkalize my increased water intake with baking soda or
magnesium citrate and I constantly monitor my urine acidity by
colour and even taste, I use topical treatments which have no side
effects, I discovered "jointflex" cream which was more effective on
my pains than topical NSAIDS,, My alcohol intake is 0 percents and I
watch my diet strictly.
It's been 1.5 years since I had gout and I haven't yet experienced
what is described as an acute gout attack and I hope I don't. I just
get moderate pains from overworked joints but they are within
tolerable levels. My finger and knee have healed but now it's my
wrist that is giving me pains, I hope it heals too. I feel one day
ill have to quit my job because of this curse called gout but so far
i'm winning the FIGHT by educating my self and practicing what was
proved to help. Thank you all.

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Purine list (at least I think that is what you meant)

2007-04-17 01:10:14

Who says doctors in the UK (or the US) believe that allopurinol
initially pushes up the blood urate level? Evidence please!
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Allopurinol causing problems ?

2007-04-16 13:39:35

I went on Allo 9 days ago -- 100 mg daily for a week, now up to 200,
up to 300 next week. I have never had a gout attack but I did have
some mild tenderness swelling of the ball behind the big toe (left
foot) about 3 months ago.
My foot/ankle (on left foot) starting giving me problems two days
ago (day 7 on Allo - Just before dose increase) . It is not tender
or red, and there is very little swelling - but it becomes very
painful when I walk. If can't walk without a limp.
I have never had this type problem with this foot. My uric acid was
9.4 (8.2 is my high ref range) - hence the Allo.
Could the Allo be causing this ? I'm going back to the Doc tomorrow.
Thanks !!!

gout

2007-04-16 02:19:20

Hello I have gout and was looking for a good list of foods that can
cause my gout to act up. I am going back on medication for it and my
doctor said I could find a good list online. But I am having trouble
finding a good list.
Any help will be great.
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opportunity to transmute our karma by the giving of service to
others. that means working for others - service giving Sharing our
being, our wealth, sending our thoughts, giving to charity, sharing a
joke, uplifting someone, giving listening time, giving healing,
giving labour, giving love, giving entertainment, giving food, giving
information and a million more ways.-daily if possible apparently we
can choose which way
The wise among you will take the attitude of discovering the areas of
service you have to make ammends on before effects of ill health, or
ill wealth reach you whether it be cancer, Parkinson's blindness,
or what have you. how to discover this? Well I suggest you pray to be
shown or ask the universe to reveal it to you.reveal the areas which
are most suited to service Just going along in your life and living
for self and not bothering until problems come can be very painful.
It is almost like asking for trouble to come , unsure if all of this
is true- then pray and asked to be shown, don't believe in anything ,
pray any way ask with in a sincere way.

new menber

2007-04-15 06:38:34

Hi everyone,
I'm new to your group have been diagnosed with Gout among other
things for just over 6 years. I currently take max doses of
Allopurinol and Colchicine on a daily basis. My Gout symptoms never
go into copmplete remission to get a pain break. I also take
Plaquinel and Avinza(morphine sulphate).
For most of the new people just getting into their illness you will
find that htere isn't a whole heck of a lot medically for the
treatment of Gout, all the research money goes for the big name
Arthritis Diseases like Rhuemetoid, Osteo, Lupus, etc.. Gout is at
the bottom of the list.
I have just been put on permanent disability at age of 43 because of
the damage my Gout has done to some of my joints, need to use canes
to walk most of the time.
Great group to find nice to know i'm not alone with this crap.
Mike

Newbie

2007-04-15 03:50:30

The Doc just put me on Allopurinol -- 100 mg/day increasing to 300
mg/day over 3 weeks. I've never had a gout attack but I have had
some strange joint pain over the past 3 years. Most recently,
the "ball" behind my big toe was red and swollen -- but not severely.
My Uric acic test shows 9.4 with a normal max of 8.2
Any thoughts anyone ?

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Purne list

2007-04-14 17:17:56

Sorry. Hopefully this link will work
www.britishdalmatianclub.org.uk/downloads/Purine%20Table%202003.htm
Also, i have been on colchicine for a over a week now. I am just
starting to walk on my foot now but my big toe is still swollen and
i can not bend it as normal.
Should i start the Allopurinol now or wait till the big toe has
returned to normal size. (There is no pain in the big toe now)

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whole foot is now swollen

2007-04-14 05:13:40

Hi all i am new to the message forum and from Coventry england. Afte
not having a gout attack for about 2 years a few days ago I started
this attack which has been much more painfull than before. I visited
my Doctor who gave me a med called ARCOXIA its a NSAIDs drug. The
pain is a lot better now but my whole foot is swollen, not just
around the big toe. Is it normal for the wole foot to be swollen? or
is this the effect of the drug? thanks all Vernon uk

Confused

2007-04-14 01:35:39

Hi all. I have found this website
http://www.britishdalmatianclub.org.uk/downloads/Purine%20Table%
202003.htm
which lists the purine content in foods. Hopefully this will help in
your choices on what to eat.
Note - it lists beer as low in purines but this doesn't take into
account that beer is bad as it is loaded with brewer's yeast.
Cheers
Ryan

Gout monster got me!

2007-04-13 19:25:52

I'm sad to report that I finally got another flare up after almost a
year of being pain free. I thought I would share my latest experience.
As a refresher, I've been on 300mg of the a-train since
november-december of last year, I've been eating anything really but
low carb mostly, and I exercise about twice a week. Did any of this
cause my flare up...actually yes but unfortunately for our herbal
preachers it was not related to diet, a-train, etc.
I went (ice) skating as I always do once a week, when I took a nice
fall and twisted my ankle, the same ankle that has always been a
problem from too many years of playing basketball injured. Also the
same ankle that gout decided was a good spot to inhabit. I was
actually shocked when I woke up the next day to mild swelling and that
oh so familiar feeling. There wasn't really enough pain or discomfort
to address it so I left it alone. The next morning got a little worse
and now I could see some pretty good swelling combined with the "gout
limp". Something had to be done! Where was my suitcase of herbs? The
allopurinol obviously wasn't working?! I have to fly to Dallas in the
morning!! How am I going to get around those airports, not to mention
go walk around properties I'm appraising!!
After my panic attack passed I remembered that I needed to start the
colchicine, so I hit the bottle til I could hear my stomach verbalize
its anger with me. By the next day the pain and swelling had almost
diminished and just in time to enjoy my trip to Dallas!
By far this was the mildest and shortest attack I've had. Sure is nice
not to have attacks all the time but its a great feeling to send that
gout monster back to it's hole when it decides to come out and play.
(My stomach says otherwise but we will reconcile over a large slice of
carrot cake and vanilla ice cream - courtesy of Black Eyed Pea)
Have a great week everyone!
-Joe

Allopurinol Intake

2007-04-13 06:23:42

Does Allopurinol have to be taken daily ? Is there a
way to reduce its intake to maybe one every other day
and still gain its benefits ?
Thanks

A QUESTION FOR ALL THE GOUT COMMUNITY MEMBERS

2007-04-13 05:39:56

I have a simple question for every body, please reply if at all possible, it will only

take 30 seconds.

Periods can be changed due to circumstances, but try to stick to the format/periods.

I've chosen the last 2 years as a period as its easier to recall accuratley.

I've stated my case below (IN RED CAPITAL LETTERS)

===========================================================

GOUT ATTACKS PRE & POST STARTING ALLOPURINOL

A) post allopurinol how many attacks have you had in the last 12 months? + comments

or

A) post allopurinol how many attacks since you recently started allopurinol ?- state months + comments!!

NO ATTACKS IN 3 MONTHS - normal diet, no alcohol yet!

B) how many attacks in the 12 months before you started allupurinol + comments ?

10 ATTACKS (4 major including 2 hospital visits) 8 of the attacks were in the last 7 months of this period

whilst following a mainly vegeterian diet & no alcohol

============================================================

GOUT ATTACKS WITHOUT ALLOPURINOL

A) how many attacks have you had in the last 12 months + comments

=============================================================

please try to reply to this post as i beleive this kind of info the majority of those who join this community

are seeking, i may also feel really daft if i'm the only one who posts !!

Yes i know theres a poll section for this kind of thing, but its tricky to find & some people may not bother

EMAIL is much easier.

cheers

more allo

2007-04-12 23:58:08

Hi all!
I have just started with another attack after drinking whisky!!
Is it OK to take more than 300mg of allo per day to alleviate the
pain? in other words can you overdose on allo?
Regards
Martin

would like to connect with other parents whose children have gout.

2007-04-12 15:54:56

hi i am new to the group. i have a 15 year old boy who has gout.
i would really like to connect with others who have gout.

new member.

2007-04-12 15:43:59

Hi all my name is Iain and i come from Buckinghamshire England.
I have had gout now for 9 years now. I have tried nearly all the
pills on the market, i went upto 900mg off allo with no luck getting
attacks around every 3 months and never in my toe. It was my whole
foot,ancle,knee,elbow,shin,and even gout spots on my ears. in the
end with the tablets i was on (sulphinpirozone)i think thats how its
spelt,gave me total kidney shut down and on dialisis for some time.
How's that for an adventure. I know each and every one of you have
it bad so i would love to hear from you. I am also a member of the
uk gout socioty which is a good group to join if you live in the uk.
Looking forward to making contacts.
Iain......

Vegan diet and gout

2007-04-12 00:53:50

Hello all,
I'm considering switching to a full Vegan diet. I've been a 98%
ovo/lacto vegetarian
for 3 months now with no flare ups, but some back pain and a minor
toe twinge or
two. If I switch to the Vegan diet I plan on minimizing
beans/lentils and replacing the
protein needs with Soy Milk and nuts. Does anybody have any history
with making
this change? Sure seems like it would have a major effect on your
Gout issues with
most if not all of the high risk foods being eliminated from your
diet.
Thanks for any replies,
Scott

What works

2007-04-11 22:02:27

Hi all. I had my first attack 2 years ago which was controlled with
Voltaren and Allopurinol.
After 6 months my doctor reccommended with an adequate diet i could
cut out Allo........so i did and was fine until 2 months ago when i
had an attack.
I am currently experiencing an attack where the gout has
spread from my big toe to the next one along. This makes it
impossible to walk at all. The big toe attack came 1 week ago. I
tried Gout cure pills which were a waste of time and for 2 days have
been on Colchisine (3 a day). But the swelling has not gone down 1
bit in either joint. How long would one reasonably expect Colchisine
to take effect before going back to the doctor and should i be
taking it still if it hasn't worked yet?
Many thanks to any help

Cherry Juice

2007-04-11 17:03:52

I have read that eating cherries or drinking cherry juice helps to
reduce Uric acid levels. I have tried to buy cherry juice here in
the UK but with no success. Does anyone have a contact/name/address
of a supplier or stockist of cherry juice?

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2007-04-11 12:37:15

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Long term affects of Allopurinol

2007-04-11 10:52:02

I am 37 and have been suffering from gout for about 10 years now. I
take colchicine when in flares up bad (twice a year or so), but I'm
getting to the point were I can not handle it long enough to help.
My doctor said I sould take allopurinol, but he can not tell me the
long term affects. Since I am realitivly young I worry about long
turn use of this drug. Also, do cheeries work at all?
Thanks for your help.

Gout because I was overweight, or overweight because of my Gout...

2007-04-10 21:46:04

I now realise that due to my gout (unrecognised at the time) I had stopped
riding my push bike due to joint pain.
Within a year I had put on two stone (20 miles a day commuting to work to
little or no exercise at all, still eating the same amount = fast weight
gain).
When I went to the doctor he told me my weight was a factor in my gout. Now
I know, it was my gout that was a factor in my weight.
Back on my bike now, gout free for a few months, going back to doctor soon
and asking for allupurinol (yeah right, while I haven't got it, it's not
urgent, until my next attack...).

Articles on gout

2007-04-10 19:14:35

has anyone read and/or verified the articles on the website http://gout.articleinsider.com

Is drinking spirits a trigger

2007-04-10 14:46:38

Hi all!
Can drinking spirits ie: Vodka trigger an attack?
or is it just beer & wine!
I am on Allo.....
Basically will spirits aggravate gout
Regards
Martin

Colchinne - warning

2007-04-10 05:22:28

Ive read various warnings about colchinne on this board & i think we all agree

its a hard drug that should only be taken when required.

My history is i am allergic to NSAIDS, naproxen,ibuprofen & disclonfac have

all made my face swell up so i've had to stop them all.

Colchinne has been my only line of defence.

I recently started allupurinol (6 weeks), 100mg & have not had any attacks, i had

had about 8 attacks this year before hand.

I was advised by rheumatologist to take 0.5 colchinne daily until my body settled the allupurinol

& allowed increased doses.

A routine blood check after a month showed a CK level of 1500 (100 norm).

Your CK level apparently highlights muscle damage within the bloodstream.

Rheumy asked me to cease colchinne immediately & not to take it again.

I'm waiting for a new bloodtest to prove CK level has dropped, I am still on 100 alluprurinol.

HAS ANYONE GOT ADVICE ON HOW I CAN DEFEND MYSELF UNDER ATTACK.

i now cant take NSAIDs or Colchinne!!!!!!!!

Mike

"Silver bullet"road tests..

2007-04-10 05:05:09

Uricase..(synthesized(( IF I remember..a glycol base)))is
APPARENTLLY available,prescribed in Europe..for 1 1/2 ys or so.Being
tested U.S in a few ACCREDITTED hospitals,universities..(NO..SORRY!
snake oil proponents..they "somehow" mustta forgotten to test
goutcure.)(( I'll have to REAM out those scientists for that!))
Not sure about FDA tests(didn't look)or future acceptance.BUT the
clinical trials,tests are available.NO side effects yet.Tested at 20
times the necessary dose.NO problems.
Uricase is THE REAL DEAL!..this is THE enzyme that somehow got
wrecked in the human evolutionary process.MOST mammals still have it.
The plant and animal forms didn't really work very well..SIDE
EFFECTS..
Uricase(water soluble) enters the blood stream..CAN mix with uric
acid to allow the formation of allantoin a water soluble(UNLIKE!)uric
acid VERY easy to dispose of compound called allantoin.Yup this
stuff can dissolve/mix/assimilate with uric
acid,deposits,crystals,make it all water soluble.
Not sure how long this crap has been around..ROFL!! LMAO..there is
some herbal magic called(drum roll)..UricACIN..made from..DRUM
ROLL)..YES!! herbs and spices..and ya of course it claims to do...
Is there an end to snake oil????????

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Heart drugs affecting Gout?

2007-04-09 10:28:15

Hi,
My 50 year old partner has suffered from Gout for a
number of years, but has been fairly good at
controlling it using a combination of diet and
gout-maintenance pills.
However, a few weeks ago he was in hospital due to an
arythmic heart, and they stuffed him full of a drug
called flacconide (or something similar) and gave him
some to take for a further 6 weeks. He has been in
constant pain ever since!
I'm convinced that this is due to the drug - has
anybody else had any such expereince?
Alexandra

a letter to 'gout cure'

2007-04-09 09:09:16

hello peeps
the post from the brazilian chap questioning whether the
ludicrously named 'gout cure' works (it doesnt by the way) made me
take another look at their website, I read the testimonials (are
they genuine? perhaps it does work for some?)
and then I sent them the following email - wonder if I will get a
reply....
*********************************************************************
(sent to customerservices@...)
*********************************************************************
Dear Sir

Gout Cure

2007-04-08 22:20:45

Hi,

I am a brazilian boy and my father suffers of gout.

I get really unhappy when I see the pain he feels because the gout attacks.

So I decided to understand the gout and search for treatment. I found this link on the Internet:

http://www.goutcure.com/goutcure8.html

Its about a medicine for gout. It says that people who use this medicine will never suffer of gout anymore.

Is there anyone on this list that knows this medicine?? Does it really work??

If it really works, how can I buy it?? I am from Brazil and here its not sold.

A lot of thanks!!

Luis Santos.

back pain and gout

2007-04-08 17:02:37

Scott from Cincinnati here, Been lurking for awhile, this is a great resource
for gout!
Question - does this seem "normal" My last 4 attacks were proceeded by back
pain
on my right rear lower back, just above the base of the lumbar area. I assume
this
may mean my kidney's are flaring up? OR is this just a coincedence? Seems
that the
back pain goes completely away once the gout symptoms start. My Dr. just keeps
giving me Allopurinal and Colchicine, I think I need to see a Rhum. What do
you
think?
I've switched to a mostly (95%) vegatarian diet to help eliminate the chance of
a flare
up. The diet change seemed to be working until yesterday when I'm sure I got
dehydrated some.
Has anyone else switched to a Vegatarin/Vegan diet to help offset gout problems?
Seems like a logical choice since you would drastically reduce the intake of the
foods
that cause gout issues.
Scott

Abnormal Liver Function

2007-04-08 10:41:05

I recently did a blood test to get a new insurance policy. Which they have denied till I can get my Liver Functions back to normal. My rheumatologist, thinks it was the NSAID, Diclofenac that is doing it. Which I have been on a daily maintenance dose for close to a year now. Back in May, my doctor told me to slowly drop the Diclofenac but to use it when ever any twitch of pain comes back. But now with the abnormality, my doc has said to stay off of it for three weeks then he will redo the blood test.

Has anyone had this problem with there meds. Does just dropping a medication normally fix the problem. I don't drink alcohol, so I know that can't contribute to the abnormality.

Side note: Still on Allpurinol and Colchicine daily ....No attacks since Sept, 2003.

Take Care All....

Michael ValeCruz

Davo

2007-04-07 23:57:14

Come on guys and gals, let`s all get along, keep your stick on the ice. What do we really know, we (doctors) have just(a few hundred years) started examining the human body when it took millions of years to evolve. First,(a thing) is good for you and then it isn`t , and the it is again. We`ve only sratched the surface of human medical discovery, can you imagine how they(doctor) will be treating us in 500 years?

Try to keep your mind open and your dogma off the street. Don`t get caught limpin across the road when karma comes.

woof

[gout] Intro - new member

2007-04-07 22:45:10

Hello.
I'm Karl.
Portland Oregon.
A real atypical gout sufferer: 39 yr old overweight male who likes to eat meat, and pickled herring. My favorite vegetables are asparagus and mushrooms. And I love booze. I had an attack about a year ago, then 6 months ago, then June, then July. Typical once again I understand. I haven't had a drop of booze for a month but that didn't stop my recent July attack. I only recently found a decent book - that Aussie Dr.s "Getting Rid of Gout" by Oxford press.
I am a "stay at home" dad with 2 yr old and 6 yr old, so laying on the couch waiting for the indomethecin to kick in is horrible - the kids bored, the dishes undone, etc.
I haven't had my serum tested for urate levels yet, nor discussed the allinporol (sp) with my dr.
I'm in that stage of "oh, this is really not just going away, I have to change my lifestyle and deal with this".
These must be tohpi on my heel. Numb whitish bumps.
And to think I work part time at an indoor range - wondering about lead... Interfering with kidney ability to excrete urates...

This page sums up my beliefs

2007-04-07 16:20:40

I will be quiet for awhile .Please read this .It might help some of
you ,if not it still makes for an interesting read

Typo "My GP said I was not an over secretor"

2007-04-07 06:14:25

And Tony
Why is the post you replied to (3217) so hard to believe.Dismissing
any info about gout only sends this disease back to the dark ages.I
do not doubt the effectiveness of allopurinol and when my Dr.
prescibes it I will take it.If my gout is typically genetic ,why has
it taken 39 years to surface .Also if diet has nothing to do with
gout dont mention triggers again. I should be able to drink toxic
sludge instead clean water.I have been slammed by many in this group
some even wishing on my next attack I wouldnt be able to find my pain
killers or colchicine ,, thanx real humane .As I have stated I have
never been crystal diagnosed gout , But I see some small white tophi -
like bumps on the side of my foot by my ankle that are getting
smaller all the time .My enviromental Doc has me on a trial chelation
medication that deals primarily with yeast eradication. I know it
doesnt matter what I feel or think (WSM)as you stated before, but
here goes
(I should say that I believe MY GOUT)
gout is merely a symptom of an even greater problem of a heavy metal
body burden ,candidiasis.I would be surprised if there are any
vegetarian gout sufferers here ,who dont have mercury silver amalgams
(fillings) in thier mouths.who have lived clean lives ,low carb ,
high alkaline diet ,are not overweight , without high blood
pressure.Who have low levels of Mercury,Cadmium , Lead and Arsenic
along with a dose of DDE pesticide in thier bodies (thanx mosquito
abatement man)This is a complex beast so dont pick at the little
things while the beast walks right in.My first dose of mercury was in
the vaccines we all get ( Thimerosal) and 9 fillings later(all
removed and replaced now with safe ones) .Mercury only stays in the
blood a short time and then locks in your
organs ,Liver ,Kidneys ,Brain,With your fillings years of exposure to
mercury accumulates and keeps your body from functioning
properly.Yeast feeds on mercury and sugar somehow and yeast will set
up shop in other parts of the body .Is it coincidence that my gout is
on the foot of my toenail fungus and athletes foot maybe ,I'm not
sure how it works , but my Dr has healed many people.I have faith in
him.If you wish to critisize or poke fun ,go ahead I quit giving in
to peer pressure in grade school.Also check into acute lead poisoning
and arthitis.There is so much documented info on this.Please ,, Stay
on the A train.Only a few qualified labs in the states can detect
metals in hair and urine using a DMSA challenge test or hair
analysis , The 24 hour urine test is useless ,Can be botched just by
pouring urine into another container .Andrew hall Cutler "Amalgam
Illness"(good book)

New &amp; need help.

2007-04-07 05:34:10

Hello all,
I am so glad to have found this board. I am newly diagnosed and am
having a bad bout right now. My feet, ankles, knees, hands, wrists,
and elbows are all burning and painful. I have been on the couch for
3 weeks now as walking for too long doesn't work. I think I have had
small attacks in the past but just put them off to body stress. I am
35 and found out my grandmother had her gout come on about the same
time. Some questions?? Pain relief:..I can't use Ibuprofen so what
works for anyone? Asprin? Hydrocodein? Ice packs on feet and hands
seem to give me some relief from the burning for 30 minutes or so.
Time frame:..how long do the acute attacks last? I keep thinking I can
mentally get through the pain if I just have some realistic time frame
to adjust to. The ten day mark someone told me about has long gone
and some areas feel worse now. Attacks:...Does exercise bring this on?
I walked alot for a few days(miles) before this came on and I am
wondering how long after this goes down do I have to wait before I can
do light or moderate exercise...will activity always bring it on?..I
eat organic and healthy as I have already survived one major illness
at 25 and I don't drink. My reg. doctor diagnosed this just before she
left for a month but we both thought it might be something I could
just wait out and rest through. I see a lot about medications listed
though she and I just set up cherry juice and a natural
antiinflammatory herb. Any help with any of these many area's of
questions is greatly appre