How long does this last?

2007-01-31 17:01:45

Can someone shed some light?
I had an episode about three weeks ago. The ball of my foot at the
big toe is still swollen although it doesn't hurt much. It makes
walking difficult. Last time I went to the podiatrist, he said that
joint was very athritic, very little flexibility. So, my question
is, should I wait longer for the swelling to subside (it's been
about a week since I thought this episode was over) or is this
something that needs to be treated more proactively. I am not on
any medication right now (took some anti-inflammatory for about 8
days at the time I had the episode)?
Any experiences you can share would be helpful - thanks,

Gout from Hell

2007-01-31 14:42:32

I'm a new member here, and I tried to post the other day but my
server had probs, so please accept my apologies if this has been
copied.
I am sick and tired of gout. It has been just over twelve years
since my first flare-up, and with every subsequent flare-up more
joints get involved. My last episode involved both ankles, one
arch, both knees, left shoulder, both wrists, and all my knuckles.
Needless to say I was bed-ridden and in agony. It seems
every "attack" leaves me more and more disabled.
For some reason I can't take allopurinol- maybe I just can't get my
serum uric acid low enough to ever be able to initiate the use of
allopurinol. Does anyone know of ANY other preventative medication
for gout?
For right now, I follow a strict diet and take anti-inflammatories
(and I have taken them ALL- Indocin, Voltaren, Cataflam, Celebrex,
Mobic, Bextra) in combination with colchicine and narcotics when
flare ups occur. Once in a great while, my doctor will give me a
steroid injection.
For some reason, it seems the medical community does not take gout
very seriously, even though it is crippling. Any doctor who sends a
patient home in excrutiating agony with joints swollen to twice
their normal size with a only a prescrition for anti-inflammatories
should have a screwdriver driven into THEIR joints to see what it
feels like. Nobody who has ever felt it firsthand ever says the
words "It's just gout".
Anyway, I'm glad to have found this group where there are others who
know what I am living with.

Treatment protocols

2007-01-31 02:40:27

Just as we have tried 'sentencing guidelines' to make
it less relevant which particular judge a defendant
gets there is a movement to make it less relevant
which particular doctor a patient sees and to have
treatment based on evidence rather than 'habits,
opinions that were handed down long ago, or other less
scientific practices'.
However, there are distinct delays in translating
research data into practice at the clinical level.
In my particular case, the doctor I saw was very young
and clearly this was his first case of gout. It may
also have been his first attempt to aspirate synovial
fluid from a toe. He did seek out the advice of his
attending physician, which was a good step for him to
have taken, but he was unable to aspirate any synovial
fluid and therefore less confident about dispensing
drugs for a condition that had not been confirmed by
the laboratory tests that would usually have been
ordered on the synovial fluid. He did diagnose my
condition as gout, but he obviously had to hit the
books before he was confident in prescribing
allopurinol. When a doctor 'hits the books' it usually
means something such as a "Five Minute Consult" or
other text that is reminiscent of a "Monarch Review
Notes" pamphlet. It hits the highlights, it does not
incorporate recent research, it does not incorporate
the views of any "different drummers".
Other countries do have different treatment protocols
and many studies on gout seem to be given short shrift
due to the small number of subjects involved.
I think it disgraceful that I was unable to get tested
for P. multocida which is thought by some to be a
cause of gout. It is transmitted by animal bites or
scratches and I had received a deep scratch about six
years ago. I do admit, however, that such a test is
not part of any treatment protocol or the
"conventional wisdom" about gout.

Indocin vs Stomach

2007-01-30 21:43:41

Any recommendations on things to eat to pad the stomach when taking indocin? I
ate
Pad Thai last night thinking the starchy noodles would be a nice base, but ended
up
having a hell of a time last night with stomach pains.
Chandler

What my doctor told me today!

2007-01-30 21:08:02

I went to the doctor today and he told me not to take "allopurinol"
during an episode of pain from my Gout. To only drink a lot of water
and take pain medicine. I have read on this site that you should
start or continue taking it during a painful episode. So has other
doctors told you all to take it during an episode?
I went off of my allopurinol and changed my diet and my uric acid
went down to 6.2. I stopped eating meat, shell fish, spinach,
cauliflower, and mushrooms. So when my doctor and I were talking
about me stopping allopurinol he said do not start taking it if you
have a painful episode wait until it is over.

My Fun With Gout

2007-01-30 13:41:48

Here goes, a quick potted history of my gout.
I always remember getting pains across the top of my foot, I'd
always assumed it was the way I jumped off my bicycle, even went to
the doctors on one occasion, he said I might've broken a small bone,
hence the pain. I was quite fit and active so always blamed the
active lifestyle, a knock there, and bump there, what else could it
be?
Phoned in sick to work one day, told them I thought I had a bunion
as my left toe joint really hurt quite badly, I'd bought some new
shoes the week before so I blamed these.
A couple of years later I went to New York and spent three days
wondering the streets in awe before going to the Canadian Rockies.
In Banff, a day after I arrived, I spent the whole night up with my
foot throbbing, the pain was so bad I nearly got a knife to cut it
open, it was quite hard to resist doing this, but in the end I
resorted to showering it with cold water and getting my (quite
unsympathetic) girlfriend to hunt down some pain killers.
The pain was so bad I went to the hospital the next morning (plus I
wanted to ski and I couldn't imagine doing that with my foot the way
it was). I told them I must've hurt my foot with all the walking I'd
done in New York. The doctor took one look at my toe and told me I
had gout and gave me some anti-inflammatory drugs, apparently the
pain was made far worse by the high altitude.
This was all about two years ago now. I've had a couple more attacks
since for which I generally run to the doctor for some of those
little brown pills. Found out from my mum that her mother always had
had gout. My doctor told me not to drink.
It doesn't get my toes any more, mostly my heels, the tip of my left
forefinger, the ball of my left thumb, and my left jaw joint
(something I'd always thought was toothache). Sometimes I get it in
my heel, then it will go suddenly, and reappear in my knee. I'm
pretty sure I also get it in my rib cage. I also seem to get quite
bad tendonitis during an attack and sometimes have to roll forward
on my foot to stretch my tendon so I can pick my foot up (I suspect
this might be due to the way I have to walk when I'm having an
attack).
And this is going to sound pretty gross, but I think it affects my
stool density as well, perversely I have normal motions when I've
having an attack, and pretty runny stuff when I'm not.
I've cut down on the alcohol, although sometimes risk a night out,
I'm eating far healthier than I've ever done. I've got quite a
sedentary job, but things have been better since I've not been using
lifts and escalators; exercise seems to help (difficult to do when
your feet are on fire, but worth persevering). I'm having a mild
attack at the moment though (my own fault, a weekend away in Prague
where beer is 40p a pint), don't quite need to use Ibuprofen yet
though, and I'm hoping right now it'll die away before I get a bad
joint scratch and have a few days of hobbling around.
Trying to work out if the moment if a brief spell of complete
freedom from it coincided with me trying out celery seed extract,
but when you're not getting the pain it so easy to forget you ever
had it and I can't remember if I was taking the pills at the time.

My Fun With Gout

2007-01-30 00:48:43

Here goes, a quick potted history of my gout.
I always remember getting pains across the top of my foot, I'd always
assumed it was the way I jumped off my bicycle, even went to the doctors on
one occasion, he said I might've broken a small bone, hence the pain. I was
quite fit and active so always blamed the active lifestyle, a knock there,
and bump there, what else could it be?
Phoned in sick to work one day, told them I thought I had a bunion as my
left toe joint really hurt quite badly, I'd bought some new shoes the week
before so I blamed these.
A couple of years later I went to New York and spent three days wondering
the streets in awe before going to the Canadian Rockies. In Banff, a day
after I arrived, I spent the whole night up with my foot throbbing, the pain
was so bad I nearly got a knife to cut it open, it was quite hard to resist
doing this, but in the end I resorted to showering it with cold water and
getting my (quite unsympathetic) girlfriend to hunt down some pain killers.
The pain was so bad I went to the hospital the next morning (plus I wanted
to ski and I couldn't imagine doing that with my foot the way it was). I
told them I must've hurt my foot with all the walking I'd done in New York.
The doctor took one look at my toe and told me I had gout and gave me some
anti-inflammatory drugs, apparently the pain was made far worse by the high
altitude.
This was all about two years ago now. I've had a couple more attacks since
for which I generally run to the doctor for some of those little brown
pills. Found out from my mum that her mother always had had gout. My doctor
told me not to drink.
It doesn't get my toes any more, mostly my heels, the tip of my left
forefinger, the ball of my left thumb, and my left jaw joint (something I'd
always thought was toothache). Sometimes I get it in my heel, then it will
go suddenly, and reappear in my knee. I'm pretty sure I also get it in my
rib cage. I also seem to get quite bad tendonitis during an attack and
sometimes have to roll forward on my foot to stretch my tendon so I can pick
my foot up (I suspect this might be due to the way I have to walk when I'm
having an attack).
And this is going to sound pretty gross, but I think it affects my stool
density as well, perversely I have normal motions when I've having an
attack, and pretty runny stuff when I'm not.
I've cut down on the alcohol, although sometimes risk a night out, I'm
eating far healthier than I've ever done. I've got quite a sedentary job,
but things have been better since I've not been using lifts and escalators;
exercise seems to help (difficult to do when your feet are on fire, but
worth persevering). I'm having a mild attack at the moment though (my own
fault, a weekend away in Prague where beer is 40p a pint), don't quite need
to use Ibuprofen yet though, and I'm hoping right now it'll die away before
I get a bad joint scratch and have a few days of hobbling around.
Trying to work out if the moment if a brief spell of complete freedom from
it coincided with me trying out celery seed extract, but when you're not
getting the pain it so easy to forget you ever had it and I can't remember
if I was taking the pills at the time.

UNTIL........

2007-01-29 21:39:13

there is a way to determine the amount of uric acid ACTUALLY in
the joint/fluid(synovial and other))OR in the flesh in the immediate
area(interstitial tissue/membrane..
THEN we're in the dark..
RIGHT NOW about the ONLY way to determine this is WITH A GOUT
ATTACK..
AND the ONLY way to fix it is to get an average baseline blood
level of uric acid/urate whatever you wanna call it..over several
months..pre,attack,post..
From tbis we determine an "average" level..AND we gotta reduce
this by 20 to 30 %..to get the uric acid out of the joints.
Allopurinol seems to be the ONLY thing that can and HAS done this..
This is the ONLY problem really with gout..there seems to be NO
WAY of determining what is going on between attacks..UNLESS the
average level is/has been lowerred by the 20 to 30 %.It is pretty
much accepted NOW that if the level stays the same..THEN the uric
acid is still being deposited..and guess what..sure last time..or the
last few times it was your left toe..whatver..SURPRISE SURPRISE oh
dear me how did this happen..THEN IT is like a HUGE area of your
right foot(what.where ever)..and you are dealing with a MONSTER
attack..

gout book

2007-01-29 19:47:29

Thanks to the person who brought our attention to the gout book by Bryan
Emmerson awhile back. I join with the those who have said good things about
the book "Getting Rid of Gout".
It is clear, layman level, well organized, thorough, and very
understandable. He doesn't tend to beat any given topic to death, and
pretty well covers the landscape. Good starting point for anyone just
finding they have gout.

Problems of delays in seeing GPs in London

2007-01-29 10:10:19

I'm a bit up the creek at the moment, entirely informing my medical
decisions on info that I am picking up from you guys. I recon that
I'm doing alright but frankly I feel like a lone yachtsman on a round
the world trip trying to sort myself out on a satellite phone rather
than simply an immobilised middle aged nerd in a comfortable bed in
west London.
The reason why I am having to rely on knowledge gleaned from the
likes of you guys is because of my specific problem of not being able
to access normal health care, a problem that I think is specific to
a) my location here in west London and b) the fact that I am rather
immobilised by pain.
Nevertheless with only a tiny contact that I have made with this
Group you have helped me a huge amount so here is a bit of a thank-
you letter, a few comments and hopefully a bit of advice to others.
Its rather long but I think that it is worth it.
My situation is that I have recently had two bad attacks of gout.
After a short two-day remission from my first (three week) attack on
my left ankle, last week it switched to a worse attack on my right
foot, which I am still suffering. As I mentioned in my last note
that I posted to the Group I have therefore set myself the task of
finding out what the hell is going on.
I have got Amazon to send me the book "Getting Rid of Gout" by Bryan
Emerson (which an Australian contributor posted a comment on last
week sorry I have switched to my lap top so I don't have access to
my email history to check on your name but thanks is all I can
say). I have read the book cover to cover, so I am pretty relaxed
that I am now self-diagnosing myself properly. I have ditched the
Anadin Extra pills (a mix of 300 mg aspirin, 200 mg paracetamol, 45
mg caffeine) six of which I was taking per day, to try to relieve the
pain, and I now realize they were probably doing me harm instead of
good. Instead I have switched to Ibuprofen. I have run out of an
old supply of Diclofenac (which I can't get a new prescription for
without seeing my family doctor but by devious means I have got hold
of a supply of Celebrex and I am taking a 200mg tab of that twice a
day. I am trying to drink three litres of water and doing nothing
else but wait out the end of the attacks.
Naturally a rational person would ask why I don't go to see a
doctor. The fact is that I am trying to see a doctor but there is a
14 day waiting list before the first appointment (which I am half way
through waiting for having only recently decided to go down that
route) and then I am not looking forward to my walk down to the
surgery - but I will face that when the time comes.
The reason why I did not make an appointment to see my doctor at the
start of my recent attack(s) is really the subject of this report.
Apart from the fact that I did not know how severe the attacks were
going to be at the start, there is a particular problem with health
care provision here in west London that is worth knowing about in
case you get struck down here one day. I don't want to exaggerate
the situation but in case you know of someone making their first trip
to London I will just give you the facts.
Below I will give you the position from a gout sufferers perspective
but first let me digress to describe the general health care position
from a foreigners perspective whether you have gout or not.
Over the years I have employed numerous foreign students and when I
first take them on I give them this FIRM advice. Do not think that
primary health care in the UK is ANYTHING like it is in Continental
Europe and the USA. It isn't.
A GP will simply not see you if you are not registered on their list
they will let you die in the reception area and then make your
family pay to take away the body (the receptionists are trained for
this, they are the most hard hearted people on the planet). OK this
is an exaggeration but I have to drum this into young people who
never think that there is going to be anything wrong with them. The
good news is that if you are not already ill a doctor will register
you like a shot because a) they are programmed to keep adding to
their list, from which they derive most of their income, and b) they
recon that the chances of you getting ill on their patch are pretty
slim.
Normally if you don't register with a GP the fall back is the
casualty clinic at some hospital Accident and Emergency unit. But do
not underestimate what this life experience is going to be like. You
will be appalled that a first world country can function in the way
that we do. Unless you are a car crash victim and brought in by
ambulance you will wait several hours (I think that's why half the
population ring up for an ambulance for the most minor injury). I
once sat for four hours weighting to get my blood soaked leg looked
at when the pavement I was walking on in Earls Court gave way and I
fell through into someone's cellar (where they had thoughtfully
stored all their broken window pains). You think I make this up??
Another of my idiot mistakes in life was to take a taxi to that
hospital.
However stick this info where you keep your travel documents. A
new place has recently opened up in West London called Casualty Plus,
where you can get medical treatment instantly for cash. It's about a
third of the way out to Heathrow Airport in a place called
Brentford. Its very new so they haven't got the hang of the British
way of dealing with patients yet, they really are nice, and since no
one knows about the place it is modern, clean and empty it really
is, I promise you. A basic consultation will set you back about US
Dollars 60 but in truth you wont get out of there without a bill for
about USD 200 once they practice using all their high-tec kit on you
and have given you your drugs. The only trouble is that since the
concept is strange to British minds the place is running way under
capacity and will probably be closed in six months.
Back to the specific problem of a resident Gout sufferer.
.
The reason why there is such a long delay to see a GP here in west
London and the reason why there is no chance of getting a doctor to
come to you is an issue of economics, and since I am an economist I
find it difficult to explain it in simple terms so if you are not
interested in economics stop reading NOW.
The government in England has tried to introduce some degree of
competition in primary health care but typically has fudged it by
going half way. The problem is that healthcare demand is absolute,
and if the price is zero (which it was designed to be under the post
war British National Health system) there is a propensity to consume
to the max. There are only two ways of rationing demand such as
this, rationing by queuing (the system preferred in Soviet Russia)
and rationing by price (the system preferred in nasty capitalist
America). The queuing system works fine if you don't have much money
and you've got plenty of time, the price system works better if you
have stacks of cash and you're on the run.
So in the good old British way we decided on a sort of Mid Atlantic
solution and take it from me these compromises never work.
The idea was that we would simply liberate the family doctors, the
primary health suppliers, to compete against each other and allow
them to choose which secondary health suppliers they should direct
their patients to competition was going to be the key.
This idea has many advantages but it has a couple of fundamental
flaws, the first of which is that the government regulates a fixed
price for the service. The patient still doesn't actually pay
directly for the primary health care supplied by the GP, the GP
simply claims from the government for the service supplied at a fixed
price. One result of this system is that a GP has an incentive to
see as many people as possible in the shortest possible time and to
find a way of not getting involved in any diagnosis that is time
consuming such as Gout. Needless to say doing house calls is a
complete no-no.
Luckily for the GPs there is a way of minimizing any complicated
diagnosing, especially if your surgery is in west London a
relatively affluent part of the country. The answer is to shove all
complicated diagnoses (such as properly diagnosing Gout) on to the
secondary health care specialists. Normally the secondary health
care sprecialists would cut up rough over this unless there was
something in it for them. The something in it for them is called
money.
Local GP's here in west London have made it known to patients that
they can jump the queue for secondary health care if they pay cash.
Everyone pretty soon works out that since everybody else is jumping
the queue you'll be dead before anyone sees you if you don't tow the
line, so pretty soon you stomp up. Now this isn't such a big deal,
we all think, if we all just sign up of medical health insurance,
i.e. we have all just switched over to the nasty American capitalist
system for secondary health care. But that still leaves the
problem of the low quality of primary health care. And you still
can't get to the secondary health care until you've been through the
primary health care queue.
Oh, and by the way, that means that we've simply forgotten about all
the people that either can't afford health insurance, or who don't
understand the system, like foreigners.
Actually there is a way of bypassing the primary health queue, which
is to simply skip it and go straight to a specialist medical
Consultant. The Consultant then just rings up the GP and tells him
what's happened (as far as I can see). Since the GP still gets paid
for the referral without actually doing any work he is not too
unhappy that he has been bypassed. This was the strategy that I
initially tried to implement when I first contacted this Group.
In the local circumstances here in west London, anyway, this is what
we are all starting to do. All I needed was to get the names of the
medical Consultants in London from some internet source and choose
one without waiting for my GP to refer me. So that was the first
question that I posted on this bulleting board. You may be
interested in the results.
Apart from some good feed back from overseas I got a few emails that
didn't go through the bulletin board. One was from a savvy guy who
gave me a short list of all the best names of Consultants in London
altogether brilliant, just what I wanted, I had cracked it in one
go. However I also got some very sensible advice from another
correspondent and that advice changed my mind.
The gist of the advice, as I interpreted it, was "Simon you don't
know how bad your gout is and although you are in serious pain at the
moment the situation could get a lot worse. Do you really want to
screw up your long-term relationship with your GP for the short-term
benefit of solving this current problem? If your Gout does get worse
you are going to need a very close relationship with your GP no
matter how pissed off you are with the circumstance of how he is
forced to do business".
Don't you just hate people like that? Good point my friend.
But why is the so-called GP Fund holder system not working?
The plan was that if queues got long patients would switch to other
less pressurised GP's and new start up GP businesses. But the simple
fact is that it hasn't worked. Firstly when the system started up it
had been government regulated for years so all the established GP's
were already pressurised with lists as long as your arm. But any new
GP trying to break into the market had no list to start with and so
they couldn't make ends meet. The result was that the existing GPs
simple became natural monopolies with a natural propensity to offer
less and less service. That's what competition means in a
monopolistic environment.
So the bottom line is this, I (like anyone else here in west London)
have at least a six-day wait to get any form of medical treatment
under the proper British National Health system. Assuming that you
don't try to make an appointment until at least three days after an
attack starts there is a minimum of nine days since the onset before
you meet the Doctor. Consequently on the date of the appointment
most people's initial acute Gout attacks will have gone into
remission and they may feel perfectly well at that stage. They may
therefore cancel the appointment without discovering the underlying
problem.
Nevertheless the chances are that a patient will make an effort to
see a GP on the occasion of the first proper attack (as I did), but
still they are likely to have a meeting with a busy GP at a time when
there isn't much physically wrong to show them. There is not much
excuse for this next part but I am now beginning to appreciate that
the poor diagnosis that I then received is typical wherever you are
in the world - except perhaps in Australia. In my case there was no
suggestion of a referral to a specialist and no investigation of the
cause of hyperuricaemia other than a blood test (which I now realize
from Professor Emmerson's book tells you very little on its own).
I my case I went away with the misunderstanding that drugs like
Diclofenac sodium are sort of like aspirins that should be taken to
relieve the pain.
Subsequently, in my case, I preferred to self medicate since I was
trying to solve the problem at the time of the attack, not nine days
later. But since I didn't know what I was really doing I thought
that over-the-counter drugs like Anadin Extra were more effective
than Diclofenac, ignoring the instruction on the Anadin packet to
talk to your doctor if you suffer from kidney or blood disease.
The knowledge that I had about diet turned out to be simply wrong but
I am not alone in my ignorance. A commercial herbalist that my wife
contacted supplied us with a list of foods that create acid, not a
list of foods that contain purines.
The consequence is that the disease probably got worse and no steps
at all were taken to treat the underlying causes. I bet that I am
not alone out there.
So I have seven days before my appointment with my GP and then let's
see where that leads.
In the meantime, needless to say, I would appreciate any comments on
the hugely long tome if anyone has bothered to read it.

Take your allopurinol now

2007-01-29 04:12:21

You don't have to wait. The sooner you start it the sooner you get
your life back.

Junior Year Abroad and Gout

2007-01-28 17:31:09

Ah, now, if but you had only selected a different
country for your year abroad. Spanish wines are high
in purine content whereas German beers and wines are
not.
Misdiagnosis? I wonder how doctors ever stay in
business.

New member

2007-01-28 17:03:57

Just joined the group and wanted to introduce myself.
Hello, my name is Chandler and I have gout. Although, in recent years, I h=
ad sort of
forgotten that fact, I shouldn't say forgotten, but I had pushed it to the =
back of my
mind. In any case, this is my story (My apologies for its length. This is=
my first time
at confession.):
I had my first acute gout attack when I was 19 years old. I think one coul=
d make a
fairly accurate connection between my attack and my entrance into college a=
nd the
joys and frivolities of access drinking. I thought I had twisted my ankle =
playing
basketball. What a wimp I imagined myself to be. I recalled scores of fri=
ends that
had twisted ankles over the course of the years and I had never seen one of=
them
writhe in pain, limp a little, feel tender in the ankle, sure, but squeal l=
ike a little baby?
Nooooo. But I get ahead of myself. I was in Spain when I had my first att=
ack, a study
year abroad. My ankle hurt, a soreness in the Achilles heel, but I was con=
tent to
hobble along and wait out what I thought was a minor injury. But my hobble=
didn't
go away. Instead, it became increasingly pronounced. Then, one warm, dulc=
et,
Castilian night in September of 1992, my traitorous foot revolted and decid=
ed to take
upon itself the sins and suffering of the entire world. Pure, concentrated=
, unrelenting
fire coursed through my foot with a siren wail. Never had I encountered su=
ch pain. I
pulled at my hair, clenched my teeth, stared at my foot in disbelief and fe=
lt utterly
humbled in my pain and isolation.
That was a good one. I know now. I've had others with which to compare. =
The skin
was hot, swollen and dry. The touch of the sheet felt like searing needles=
, and there
was
no such thing as a comfortable position. Keeping the foot still and flat h=
elped a little.
Instead of the molten, dizzying suffering I endured with any attempt to mov=
e it,
gingerly laying back on my bed with the foot flat lessened the agony to, wh=
at felt like
was, the gentle touch of a thousand sledge hammers raining down. A number =
of
things occurred to me during that nightmarish eternity. One, I had a great=
deal more
respect for all the people in the world with twisted ankles. How they bore=
such agony
which such silent dignity and poise, I could not fathom. I was embarrassed=
by my
own Tourette like squeals, yelps, curses and tears. Two, I decided then an=
d there I
would make an abominable secret agent. I pictured myself chained to a wall=
in a
dark, moldy basement. "Tell me your secrets!" the evil operative would dem=
and in my
ear. "Never!" I would cry. "You will get nothing from me, pig!" The evil=
operative
would merely smile contemptuously and hiss, "Twist his ankle!" And that wo=
uld be it.
I'd have sold out the world, all for my little ankle. Three, attempts to "=
be one with the
pain" or the idea that suffering is "illusion" could kiss my ass. Pain was=
real. It was
the most real thing in the world and it was all mine. Four, time is relati=
ve. Time, with
its fickle elasticity was my enemy. I was alone you see. I had been in Sp=
ain less than
a week. It was some ungodly hour and my sense of decorum would not have me=
wake my poor host mother. Plus, I barely spoke the language. What would s=
he have
made of this rabid, frothing, wild haired and swollen footed, delirious Ame=
rican,
coming into her room, hopping on one foot and babbling incoherently in rudi=
mentary
Spanish, punctuated by squeals of pain, in the middle of the night? No, th=
is was my
pain, my burden. My solace, my sanctuary was the clinic, the holy shrine o=
f good
health, medical expertise and prescription pain killers associated with my =
study
abroad program. But... time, evil time, cruel and malevolent, stood in th=
e way. The
clinic did not open until 6am. I had hours in which to soak and savor in m=
y pain.
Time was my enemy.
I swear, if the sweet, kind, fairy Goddess of amputation had descended upon=
my
room that night and offered her services, "I will relive you of your pain, =
dear child, but
the foot must then come off." "Cut it off!" I would say. And if thy right=
eye offends
thee... But she did not come and I endured. If seconds turned to minutes =
and
minutes hours, then my wait was only 13.75 days. I marveled at how there w=
as no
abatement of pain, not even the ephemeral dip and relief found in between
heartbeats and pulsing of blood with normal wounds. The pain did not throb=
. Its
oscillations were a strident, never ending scream.
I remember when the first creeping light of the rising sun slowly stole int=
o my room.
I began to ready myself for what I knew would be an arduous journey. I put=
on my
jacket, a baseball hat, my right sock, my right boot and then sat there sta=
ring at the
left boot. Even though I had unlaced the boot and opened it as far as it c=
ould go, I
still needed to fit that raw, deformed, bulbous stub of nerves, what had on=
ce been my
left foot, into said boot. I inserted the toes and held my breath and then=
pushed the
rest of the foot into the shoe. White pain rocketed through my body. I ye=
lled,
squealed, cried and cursed and rolled back onto the bed and gripped the cov=
ers, my
foot swaying, extended in mid air as if I could some how disown and disasso=
ciate it
from the rest of my body. But the shoe was on.
Salamanca, the Golden City, is a sight to behold. Layers of centuries old =
limestone
buildings, each one an architectural marvel, surround and branch out from a=
beautiful
baroque Plaza Mayor in the city's center. The University of Salamanca is t=
he world's
second oldest university and the pillar of Spanish intellectual culture. Y=
ou turn a
corner and suddenly you feel transported into the past. Perhaps, a troop o=
f Romans
might march into view Perhaps, a wayward Don Quixote And another charmin=
g
detail, which serves to add to the quaint antiquity of the city, that I dis=
covered on that
brisk, early morning walk to the clinic was the acute gout attack sufferer'=
s HELL
known as cobbled streets. Each stone painstakingly hand hewn and individua=
lly
placed to create a beautiful orchestration of jutting angles and irregular =
services. The
clinic was but five blocks from my host family's house and it took me nearl=
y an hour
to get there. Each step, no matter how carefully placed, sent jagged splin=
ters of pain
running up my leg. A ragged Gypsy approached me and asked me for money. I=
quickly gave him what change I had. The Gypsies were notorious for mugging=
s and
my being alone on a deserted street at an ungodly hour, certainly made me a=
prime
target. He looked me up and down and then moved on. Perhaps, the manic lo=
ok in
my eyes made him decide not to tangle with me. Little did he know, all he =
would
have had to do is lightly touch my foot and I would have crumpled to the gr=
ound in
agony and he could have stripped me of my wallet, clothes and shoes like a =
mother
undresses a babe.
I made it to the doctor's office. They took me in, x-rated my foot and quic=
kly
determined that I had pulled a ligament. Ah, I thought, this was no mere t=
wisted
ankle. I am not the complete wimp I thought I was. He gave me a mysteriou=
s
prescription written in Spanish and I "hastened" over more cobbled streets =
to the
nearest 24 hour pharmacy to have it filled. I settled into a routine in Sp=
ain. I would
drink like a proper Spaniard and, even better, a proper university going Sp=
aniard,
have mysterious attacks on my foot (Triggered by a physical trauma. I came=
to
understand at least that.), hobble to the nearest pharmacy and settle into =
my
apartment, where I would tightly wrap my foot to immobilize it (and thereby=
hinder
blood circulation) and flounder through delirium days and worse nights, cat=
ching a
hour of sleep here and there, in between chewing and swallowing my painkill=
ers.
During one attack I read the entire Brother's Karamazov in 5 days, consumin=
g 200
pages a day and identifying my own suffering completely with the existentia=
l angst
that is riddled through the novel. What were, you might ask, the mysteriou=
s Spanish
painkillers that I was eating like sweet candies? Why super doses of Spani=
sh made
aspirin. Lovely blood thinning aspirin, if only I had known what I know no=
w. But I
would suffer a few days, maybe a week, and then hobble once more over cobbl=
ed
streets straight to the bars to drink my pains away.
That was Spain. And I apologize this has gotten way too long, but I've com=
e this far, I
might as well finish. All in all, I had a fantastic time in Spain. My int=
erludes with gout
are diminished in my mind, compared to my other collegian misadventures. I=
accepted my plight as a cripple with phlegmatic fatalism. The only night t=
hat
nostalgia cannot soften is that first attack where I truly understood what =
pain is and
no amount time will ever make me forget.
Back in the states, I faired a little better, but not much. True, doctors =
looked at my
foot, x-rayed it and pronounced that the foolish Spanish Doctors had misdia=
gnosed
me. And with a voice of American authority said, "A torn ligament? No, no=
. You have
osteoporosis." A more year went by with more attacks, though the intervals=
between
them had increased. I still hobbled around. I gave up on the idea of ever=
running
again. I remember looking on as two guys played soccer on the college gree=
n with
tender sadness. If am not to run, I reasoned, then I will swim instead. A=
nd so I did.
Necessity had taught me not to twist, jar, or roll my ankle. If I did happ=
en to trip or
land weird on my ankle, I had actually trained myself to fall immediately t=
o the
ground, instead of attempting to regain my balance, the real cause of ankle=
injury.
And, by lucky coincidence, my Grandmother had once been kind enough to shar=
e
with me her Ibuprofen, which seemed to appease my foot in ways which aspiri=
n
apparently failed. Frustrated, my mother sent me to new doctors. This tim=
e it was
determined that I had a benign tumor in my left foot and that was surely th=
e cause of
all my problems. And at the end of the second year of my return from Spain=
I was
admitted to Mass General Hospital to under go surgery in the cancer ward fo=
r the
removal the mass which was plainly visible in my MRI. I awoke on a hospita=
l bed, and
through the fog of anesthesia a doctor leaned forward and said, "Oops, you =
have
gout." Tophi, benign you are not.
So, I had gout. I also had a nice new gouge in my foot and a brand new ach=
e which,
over the next few days would transcend into an unbearable pain. As I writh=
ed in bed,
I noticed my precious supply of Percocets, the delightful little pills that=
quieted my
torture to a dull simmer and afforded me a few hours of sleep here and ther=
e, were
running low. I tentatively called one of the doctors and told him about my=
pain and
my diminishing supply of painkillers. The voice on the other end was dismi=
ssive and
incredulous, "You should expect some post-operative pain." Only later would=
I learn
that the trauma of surgery often causes gout attacks. It was not enough fo=
r him to
misdiagnose me and cut open my foot open unnecessarily! No, he had to insu=
lt me
as well! I would love to take a syringe of uric acid and inject it in that=
condescending
doctor's foot and ask him if his agony fits within his nonchalant parameter=
s of "post-
operative pain." I would wager not.
And my saga comes to, not an end, but a plateau. I finally was taken to a =
rheumatologist who recognized my gout immediately. He shook his head solem=
nly
as he reviewed my medical history. I was finally given proper treatment an=
d proper
meds. I changed my diet and began a sober (well, let us say, non-alcoholic=
)
completion of college. My friends found my peculiar ailment to be quite fu=
nny and,
not to mention, useful as I drove them from party to party, weekend after w=
eekend.
Ironic that the permanent, designated driver is invited to more parties tha=
n any other.
And on rare occasions, special birthdays, weddings, and winter holidays I w=
ould relax
my regimen and put back a few beers or, sometimes, a few scotches (so sweet=
to the
taste buds, like liquid gold). "Saving up the foot," became a regular expr=
ession
among my friends. I would get requests months in advance. "It's my birthd=
ay on May
10th. I want you to come. Save up your foot." "Oo," I would deliberate, =
"I do have an
event in April, but I'll see if the foot can fit yours in." But there was =
balance in the
world. My hobble diminished into limp, my limp to walk and, finally, my wa=
lk to
running again!
Though now in tune with my gout, I was to learn that I had a seldom known v=
ariant of
gout, which I, and my friends, termed Sneaky Gout. I thought my attacks we=
re limited
to only my left foot, but my right foot fell victim twice and my right elbo=
w once. Most
attacks I quickly quelled with a smack down of Ibuprofen. The elbow threw =
me,
though, I must admit. Never imagined that the Gout could affect an elbow. =
It wasn't
until I felt that tell tale siren pain that I recognized who was calling. =
"Ah, I know you,
you devil." My ignorance cost me two weeks of being unable bend, in the sl=
ightest,
my elbow. Try washing your hair with one arm. Try buttoning your buttons.=
Try
wiping Hush, now! Too much information!
So, I managed for 12 years and suffered relatively little. Not being able =
to drink I
considered a small sacrifice, easy on the wallet and perhaps a blessing in =
disguise.
And becoming a vegetarian assured me that no euphemistic delicacies would g=
race
my dinner plate (Sweet meets?! Please!). But in the past year or so I gre=
w cocky. I
started having a beer or scotch or two or both with friends at dinners, at =
bars. I
usually didn't drink much. My tolerance was so low it never required much =
to allow
me to experience the warmth and lubricated feel of inebriation. And the Go=
ut was
silent. Maybe a twinge here or there, but nothing a few shots of 600mgs of=
Ibuprofen
couldn't squelch. And then I reached the age when all my friends and myse=
lf
included began to turn 30. In quick succession I attended grand parties an=
d then the
inevitable influx of weddings. But still the foot lay dormant.
Enter the holiday season of 2003. For thanksgiving, a brand new bottle of =
Genmorangie Port Finish. It was delicious, I assure you. And I found that=
I had
rediscovered the sublime satisfaction of a nice bottle of wine at dinner (s=
omething I
hadn't revisited since my days in Spain). I spent the Christmas holidays i=
n Costa Rica
at a hotel where the package included all food and drink. A few, two, mayb=
e four or
five Pina Coladas and a refreshing beer or two was too good to resist under=
a hot
equatorial sun. Hey, me, my gout, we were all on vacation and for any issu=
es that
might arise, I had a fresh bottle of Advil waiting in my travel kit. On my=
last night in
Costa Rica, walking down the dusty road that cut through the bar and disco =
strip in
Coco Beach, at 3 am, I suddenly began to feel both ankles start to freeze. =
I rushed
back to the hotel, started a regimen of 800mgs of Advil and made a New Year=
s
resolution to stay away from drink, for real this time, no, honest, I meant=
it. And I
might have stuck to it, accept I had another 30th birthday party to attend =
to in Las
Vegas.
I was with friends, in a casino, I was winning money and, best of all, the =
casino was
bringing us free drinks. I could not resist the special delight of not onl=
y winning
money from Vegas but also sticking them with my bar tab as well. It was to=
o good to
pass up. As I went to sleep on my last night in Vegas I had a sneaking sus=
picion that
I had crossed the line. I woke up with a twinge in my ankle, but once agai=
n, nothing a
little Advil wouldn't knock out. Or, so I thought. I drove back to LA and=
then a few
days later headed off to New York City to work on a documentary. By the ti=
me I got
on the plane for NYC I was limping.
"Ha," my friends in New York laughed at me as I limped along in the miserab=
le recent
cold of the city, "the Gout Foot is back again!" They would make a great s=
how of it.
One of them mimicking my limp to perfection as we waddled now sidewalks, gi=
ngerly
stepping over ice. At least there were no cobbled streets to contend with,=
I thought.
And my spirits were good. I knew I had brought this upon myself. I was pa=
ying for
my hubris with the Gods of drink and Gout and I was being served my just fr=
uits. I
switched my Advil intake to 600mgs 4 times a day instead of 800mgs 3 times =
a day
because I found the fourth dose, taken late at night, allowed me a longer n=
ight's
sleep. One irony, of which the humor was not lost on me, was that the danc=
ers on
crutches that I had flown to NYC to shoot, were now walking circles around =
me as my
limp deteriorated into my long forgotten hobble.
The scoreboard read: Gout 1, Advil a big fat 0. I had pushed the limit too=
far. The
slope I had descended upon had suddenly giving way and I was falling fast a=
nd out of
control. The siren wail was back, though tempered some by the Ibuprofen, b=
ut, still,
the volume was increasing. Then, this past Monday, the Gout returned. As =
I sat in
my friend's apartment watching the red time display of his cable box, a gia=
nt, never
ending drill bit was slowly and unceasingly tearing through the flesh of my=
Achilles
heel. Here I am, I thought, in the middle of New York City, in the middle =
of the night,
alone in my pain and it is all my own fault.
Fortunately, I did manage to fall asleep around 6am, after 800mgs of Advil =
had finally
worked their way down to my foot. But at 9am I was up again and on the pho=
ne to
my doctor. By 11am the delivery man (NYC is wonderful in that way. This t=
ime there
would be no wrestling with shoes!) had delivered that which, in my state, w=
as surely
more precious than gold Indocin.
So, I am humbled and I am returned to the world of Gout. My hobble has rec=
eded
back to a limp. I must admit, I had fun while I was out there in the norma=
l world.
The scotches, the beer and the wine were all quite lovely, but given a choi=
ce between
a life with them and inhumanly painful retribution, verse a life abstaining=
and healthy
foot ready for jogs on the beach, I choose the latter. So, hello, to all o=
f you. I am
glad to have found this group. Thank you for having me here. I promise to=
behave
although, I do have a wedding, or two, to attend to in September.

And Finally

2007-01-28 07:20:50

If you get gout you need to buy one of these- Its a victorian gout stool!!
[INLINE]
Victorian Chairs - Victorian Gout Rest Stool

links

2007-01-28 04:27:28

http://health.surfwax.com/
and what about www.goutcure.com or goutrol the miracle
drug !!!

Search for Medical Consultant in London

2007-01-27 22:55:22

Having suffered gout off and on for the last five year, pain has at
last driven me to do something serious about it. My first task has
been to read up everything that I can get hold of on the internet and
my second is to join this group.
Unfortunately my own local Doctor seems to be rather ignorant of this
disorder (he simply told me not to drink Italian wine or eat
cheese!). However when I went to see him a few years ago he dished
out some diclofenac and so I have used this drug to dose myself up
when I get further attacks.
Now I need a proper medical Consultant and I wonder whether there
exists some list of these specialists or preferably whether there
exists some kind of guide book (London edition) to lead me to the
right person I have grave doubts that my own Doctor will be of
little help.
Any help would be appreciated.
Best regards - Simon Mason

gout triggers list

2007-01-27 19:48:48

am i wrong or does this site lack a single comprehensive list of
gout triggers or foods and pureen content ?

a good book

2007-01-27 15:41:38

Hi,
Thanks to all for the feedback and general info in your recent e-mails.
I'd like to mention a book by an Australian professor which my wife and I
have found
to be very helpful in our effort to educate ourselves about gout. It's called:
"Getting rid of Gout" and is a guide to its management and prevention,
written by:
Bryan T. Emmerson, and published by Oxford University Press in many
countries throughout the world. It's ISBN number is 019551667-2 and information
about it is to be had on the OUP website in Australia....www.oup.com.au
Its not over technical and neither is it simplistic and we felt it was just
on the right level for us. So if it helps anyone we shall be delighted and if
you know about it
already we'd like to know briefly what you thought of it....Oh !.. I must add
that we have absolutely NO connection whatsoever with its marketing.
Best wishes
Ted Bassett

Microwaves, gout and the Renaissance.

2007-01-27 03:27:25

Genetic predisposition of the Medicis to gout or
poisoning may be of some interest. I think the major
influence would be the lead in their environment.
Microwaves and cooking scares have been making the
rounds for years. If there are any articles that link
microwave cooked foods directly to gout, they would
indeed be relevant for this list. Otherwise, they are
are not.

microwave cooking !!!! oh no! no!

2007-01-26 21:02:19

THE HIDDEN HAZARDS OF MICROWAVE COOKING
For research purposes only from the Orion project which is set up in
a very unique way in that the Orion project is an information sharing
resource funded privately, which sells nothing and is there for the
sharing of information which is of huge value. This is a totally
different set up from being prescribed just drugs where there are
huge profits to be made often at the expense of the patients well
being even sometimes misery.
The following information is copied from a recent article.
Is it possible that millions of people are ignorantly sacrificing
their health in exchange for the convenience of microwave ovens? Why
did the Soviet Union ban the use of microwave ovens in 1976? Who
invented microwave ovens, and why? The answers to these questions may
shock you into throwing your microwave oven in the trash.
Over 90% of American homes have microwave ovens used for meal
preparation. Because microwave ovens are so convenient and energy
efficient, as compared to conventional ovens, very few homes or
restaurants are without them. In general, people believe that
whatever a microwave oven does to foods cooked in it doesn't have any
negative effect on either the food or them. Of course, if microwave
ovens were really harmful, our government would never allow them on
the market, would they? Would they? Regardless of what has
been "officially" released concerning microwave ovens, we have
personally stopped using ours based on the research facts outlined in
this article.
The purpose of this report is to show proof - evidence - that
microwave cooking is not natural, nor healthy, and is far more
dangerous to the human body than anyone could imagine. However, the
microwave oven manufacturers, Washington City politics, and plain old
human nature are suppressing the facts and evidence. Because of this,
people are continuing to microwave their food - in blissful
ignorance - without knowing the effects and danger of doing so.
How do microwave ovens work?
Microwaves are a form of electromagnetic energy, like light waves or
radio waves, and occupy a part of the electromagnetic spectrum of
power, or energy. Microwaves are very short waves of electromagnetic
energy that travel at the speed of light (186,282 miles per second).
In our modern technological age, microwaves are used to relay long
distance telephone signals, television programs, and computer
information across the earth or to a satellite in space. But the
microwave is most familiar to us as an energy source for cooking
food.
This microwave radiation interacts with the molecules in food. All
wave energy changes polarity from positive to negative with each
cycle of the wave. In microwaves, these polarity changes happen
millions of times every second. Food molecules - especially the
molecules of water - have a positive and negative end in the same way
a magnet has a north and a south polarity.
In commercial models, the oven has a power input of about 1000 watts
of alternating current. As these microwaves generated from the
magnetron bombard the food, they cause the polar molecules to rotate
at the same frequency millions of times a second. All this agitation
creates molecular friction, which heats up the food. The friction
also causes substantial damage to the surrounding molecules, often
tearing them apart or forcefully deforming them. The scientific name
for this deformation is "structural isomerism".
By comparison, microwaves from the sun are based on principles of
pulsed direct current (DC) that don't create frictional heat;
microwave ovens use alternating current (AC) creating frictional
heat. A microwave oven produces a spiked wavelength of energy with
all the power going into only one narrow frequency of the energy
spectrum. Energy from the sun operates in a wide frequency spectrum.
Radiation, as defined by physics terminology, is "the electromagnetic
waves emitted by the atoms In simpler terms, a microwave oven decays
and changes the molecular structure of the food by the process of
radiation. Had the manufacturers accurately called them "radiation
ovens", it's doubtful they would have ever sold one, but that's
exactly what a microwave oven is.
We've all been told that microwaving food is not the same as
irradiating it (radiation "treatment"). The two processes are
supposed to use completely different waves of energy and at different
intensities. No FDA or officially released government studies have
proven current microwaving usage to be harmful, but we all know that
the validity of studies can be - and are sometimes deliberately -
limiting. Many of these studies are later proven to be inaccurate.
Many of us come from a generation where mothers and grandmothers have
distrusted the modern "inside out" cooking they claimed was "not
suitable" for most foods. My mother refused to even try baking
anything in a microwave. She also didn't like the way a cup of coffee
tasted when heated in a microwave oven. I have to
Microwaves unsafe for baby's milk
A number of warnings have been made public, but have been barely
noticed. For example, Young Families, the Minnesota Extension Service
of the University of Minnesota, published the following in 1989:
"Although microwaves heat food quickly, they are not recommended for
heating a baby's bottle. The bottle may seem cool to the touch, but
the liquid inside may become extremely hot and could burn the baby's
mouth and throat. Also, the buildup of steam in a closed container,
such as a baby bottle, could cause it to explode. Heating the bottle
in a microwave can cause slight changes in the milk. In infant
formulas, there may be a loss of some vitamins. In expressed breast
milk, some protective properties may be destroyed. Warming a bottle
by holding it under tap water, or by setting it in a bowl of warm
water, then testing it on your wrist before feeding may take a few
minutes longer, but it is much safer."
Dr. Lita Lee of Hawaii reported in the December 9, 1989 Lancet:
"Microwaving baby formulas converted certain trans-amino acids into
their synthetic cis-isomers. Synthetic isomers, whether cis-amino
acids or trans-fatty acids, are not biologically active. Further, one
of the amino acids, L-proline, was converted to its d-isomer, which
is known to be neurotoxic (poisonous to the nervous system) and
nephrotoxic (poisonous to the kidneys). It's bad enough that many
babies are not nursed, but now they are given fake milk (baby
formula) made even more toxic via microwaving."
Microwaved blood kills patient
In 1991, there was a lawsuit in Oklahoma concerning the hospital use
of a microwave oven to warm blood needed in a transfusion. The case
involved a hip surgery patient, Norma Levitt, who died from a simple
blood transfusion. It seems the nurse had warmed the blood in a
microwave oven. This tragedy makes it very apparent that there's much
more to "heating" with microwaves than we've been led to believe.
Blood for transfusions is routinely warmed, but not in microwave
ovens. In the case of Mrs. Levitt, the microwaving altered the blood
and it killed her.
It's very obvious that this form of microwave radiation "heating"
does something to the substances it heats. It's also becoming quite
apparent that people who process food in a microwave oven are also
ingesting these "unknowns".
Scientific evidence and facts
Production of unnatural molecules is inevitable. Naturally occurring
amino acids have been observed to undergo isomeric changes (changes
in shape morphing) as well as transformation into toxic forms, under
the impact of microwaves produced in ovens.
One short-term study found significant and disturbing changes in the
blood of individuals consuming microwaved milk and vegetables. Eight
volunteers ate various combinations of the same foods cooked
different ways. All foods that were processed through the microwave
ovens caused changes in the blood of the volunteers. Hemoglobin
levels decreased and over all white cell levels and cholesterol
levels increased. Lymphocytes decreased.
Luminescent (light-emitting) bacteria were employed to detect
energetic changes in the blood. Significant increases were found in
the luminescence of these bacteria when exposed to blood serum
obtained after the consumption of microwaved food."
The Swiss clinical study
Dr. Hans Ulrich Hertel, who is now retired, worked as a food
scientist for many years with one of the major Swiss food companies
that do business on a global scale. A few years ago, he was fired
from his job for questioning certain processing procedures that
denatured the food.
In 1991, he and a Lausanne University professor published a research
paper indicating that food cooked in microwave ovens could pose a
greater risk to health than food cooked by conventional means. An
article also appeared in issue 19 of the Journal Franz Weber in which
it was stated that the consumption of food cooked in microwave ovens
had cancerous effects on the blood. The research paper itself
followed the article. On the cover of the magazine there was a
picture of the Grim Reaper holding a microwave oven in one of his
hands.
Dr. Hertel was the first scientist to conceive and carry out a
quality clinical study on the effects microwaved nutrients have on
the blood and physiology of the human body. His small but well
controlled study showed the degenerative force produced in microwave
ovens and the food processed in them. The scientific conclusion
showed that microwave cooking changed the nutrients in the food; and,
changes took place in the participants' blood that could cause
deterioration in the human system. Hertel's scientific study was done
along with Dr. Bernard H. Blanc of the Swiss Federal Institute of
Technology and the University Institute for Biochemistry.
"Leukocytosis, which cannot be accounted for by normal daily
deviations, is taken very seriously by hemotologists. Leukocytes are
often signs of pathogenic effects on the living system, such as
poisoning and cell damage. The increase of leukocytes with the
microwaved foods were more pronounced than with all the other
variants. It appears that these marked increases were caused entirely
by ingesting the microwaved substances.
This process is based on physical principles and has already been
confirmed in the literature. The apparent additional energy exhibited
by the luminescent bacteria was merely an extra confirmation. There
is extensive scientific literature concerning the hazardous effects
of direct microwave radiation on living systems. It is astonishing,
therefore, to realize how little effort has been taken to replace
this detrimental technique of microwaves with technology more in
accordance with nature. Technically produced microwaves are based on
the principle of alternating current. Atoms, molecules, and cells hit
by this hard electromagnetic radiation are forced to reverse polarity
1-100 billion times a second. There are no atoms, molecules or cells
of any organic system able to withstand such a violent, destructive
power for any extended period of time, not even in the low energy
range of milliwatts.
Of all the natural substances - which are polar - the oxygen of water
molecules reacts most sensitively. This is how microwave cooking heat
is generated - friction from this violence in water molecules.
Structures of molecules are torn apart, molecules are forcefully
deformed, called structural isomerism, and thus become impaired in
quality. This is contrary to conventional heating of food where heat
transfers convectionally from without to within. Cooking by
microwaves begins within the cells and molecules where water is
present and where the energy is transformed into frictional heat.
As soon as Doctors Hertel and Blanc published their results, the
authorities reacted. A powerful trade organization, the Swiss
Association of Dealers for Electro-apparatuses for Households and
Industry, known as FEA, struck swiftly in 1992. They forced the
President of the Court of Seftigen, Canton of Bern, to issue a "gag
order" against Drs. Hertel and Blanc. In March 1993, Dr. Hertel was
convicted for "interfering with commerce" and prohibited from further
publishing his results. However, Dr. Hertel stood his ground and
fought this decision over the years.
Not long ago, this decision was reversed in a judgment delivered in
Strasbourg, Austria, on August 25, 1998. The European Court of Human
Rights held that there had been a violation of Hertel's rights in the
1993 decision. The European Court of Human Rights also ruled that
the "gag order" issued by the Swiss court in 1992 against Dr. Hertel,
prohibiting him from declaring that microwave ovens are dangerous to
human health, was contrary to the right to freedom of expression. In
addition, Switzerland was ordered to pay Dr. Hertel compensation.
Who invented microwave ovens?
Carcinogens in microwaved food
In Dr. Lita Lee's book, Health Effects of Microwave Radiation -
Microwave Ovens, and in the March and September 1991 issues of
Earthletter, she stated that every microwave oven leaks electro-
magnetic radiation, harms food, and converts substances cooked in it
to dangerous organ-toxic and carcinogenic products. Further research
summarized in this article reveal that microwave ovens are far more
harmful than previously imagined.
From the conclusions of the Swiss, Russian and German scientific
clinical studies, we can no longer ignore the microwave oven sitting
in our kitchens. Based on this research, we will conclude this
article with the following:
1). Continually eating food processed from a microwave oven causes
long term - permanent - brain damage by "shorting out" electrical
impulses in the brain [de-polarizing or de-magnetizing the brain
tissue].
2). The human body cannot metabolize [break down] the unknown by-
products created in microwaved food.
3). Male and female hormone production is shut down and/or altered by
continually eating microwaved foods.
4). The effects of microwaved food by-products are residual [long
term, permanent] within the human body.
5). Minerals, vitamins, and nutrients of all microwaved food is
reduced or altered so that the human body gets little or no benefit,
or the human body absorbs altered compounds that cannot be broken
down.
6). The minerals in vegetables are altered into cancerous free
radicals when cooked in microwave ovens.
7). Microwaved foods cause stomach and intestinal cancerous growths
[tumors]. This may explain the rapidly increased rate of colon cancer
in America.
8). The prolonged eating of microwaved foods causes cancerous cells
to increase in human blood.
9). Continual ingestion of microwaved food causes immune system
deficiencies through lymph gland and blood serum alterations.
10). Eating microwaved food causes loss of memory, concentration,
emotional instability, and a decrease of intelligence.
Have you tossed out your microwave oven yet?
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Heal the immune system ??

2007-01-26 19:19:47

The immune system is a threat detection and threat
assessment system. It is more than just 'self versus
non-self'. For instance, anthrax is certainly not
'self' but is small and simple and is not viewed by
the immune system as a great threat.
Many vaccines are effective only because a large,
complex molecule is attached and the immune system
having been "hit over the head" learns to treat the
large molecule and the smaller one as 'threats'.
What used to be 'Immunology, Microbiology and General
Pathology' in medical school is now usually one
humongous course known as "host defense".
If psoriasis is viewed solely as a dermatology
condition, little progress will be made. If if is
viewed as a cutaneous manifestation of the underlying
'host defense' battle that is being waged, progress is
more likely.
Just as I was unable to get any testing for Pasturella
multicida when I had my intense gout pain, you will
probably be unable to get adequate testing for your
psoriasis. I actually obtained petri dishes and media
preparation kits including MacConkey's Agar Agar and I
did my own testing for P. multocida. My apartment is
not suitable for media preparation or culturing. I
would have preferred a medical laboratory. The tests
are not cheap, it would have been less than two
hundred dollars. The doctors would not order the
tests. I had to do it myself.
Welcome to the world of modern medicine.

marijuana - gout

2007-01-26 13:20:32

how many people would know anything about smoking or ingesting
marijuana for gout relief.
does anyone use marijuana anyway and have they noticed any
difference ?

Re; Gout - How long has it been about

2007-01-26 02:12:02

This is an interesting article about an excavation in Italy of the Medici families. You will note that one of them was called piero the gouty. Aparently all of the family suffered with gout from as far back as the 15th century. Anyhow i thought you may like to have a little light relief
Members of the family that dominated the Florentine Renaissance are to be exhumed and genetic analysis used to unveil their last secrets, Italian authorities have announced.
The project aims to reconstruct how at least 50 of the Medici family, who ruled Florence and Tuscany from 1434 to 1737, lived and died.
Starting from June, corpses will be removed from the monumental tombs in the Medici Chapels at Michelangelo's church of San Lorenzo in Florence, allowing scientists to reconstruct the dynasty's genetic make-up and its real family tree.
Researchers will also establish what should be done to preserve the remains, which may have been damaged by floods in 1966.
A laboratory will be set up in the crypt and samples from the corpses will be sent to the University of Pisa for more analysis.
The Medicis were originally a family of peasants from the Mugello valley north of Florence but became one of Europe's most powerful dynasties. No other family epitomises the full glory of the Florentine Renaissance better than this dynasty.
Fun-loving patrons of the arts, they were also governors of a dynamic city state and served as the model for popes, kings and emperors.
"Obviously, the history of the Medicis is based on records and accounts. This scientific investigation will allow scholars to know much more. We will be able to determine how they lived, what they ate, what kind of diseases they suffered from, and the real causes of their death," said project leader Dr Gino Fornaciari, a history of medicine professor at the University of Pisa.
The most well-known Medicis, such as Lorenzo the Magnificent and Cosimo the Elder, founder of the Medici political dynasty, will not be exhumed as they rest beneath beautiful Michelangelo tombstones too fragile to move.
However, the project will involve prominent figures, including eight grand dukes, several children and Anna Maria Luisa, the last of the Medicis, who on her death willed all the art treasures belonging to her family to the city of Florence.
Among the most influential Medicis to be exhumed are Giovanni dalle Bande Nere, Duchess Eleonora di Toledo, Grand Duke Francesco I and Grand Duke Cosimo I, responsible for the expansion of Florence to control most of Tuscany and for the creation of the Uffizi. This was first intended to house the government and is now one of the world's greatest art galleries.
Scientists will also analyse the dynasty's ailments, including a genetic predisposition for the arthritic disease gout, from which Piero the Gouty and his son Lorenzo the Magnificent suffered.
"It is believed that Cosimo I also suffered from this disease, but it is more likely it was rheumatoid arthritis. Gian Gastone, the last Grand Duke, died from obesity and kidney stones, while his sister Anna Maria Luisa from breast cancer. We will create a complete archive of the Medicis' illnesses," Fornaciari said.
The forensic tests might also help to solve some mysteries about the family, such as whether Francesco I died of malaria or was poisoned.
"Knowledge of how an infectious disease behaved under conditions dramatically different from those of today may even offer clues that could be exploited for its control today," said Arthur Aufderheide, professor of pathology at the University of Minnesota.
Regards,
Tony

Donbrad about Psoriasis......

2007-01-25 21:49:10

If it is a systematic infection....Then it would make sense to seek
some kind of treatment to heal the immune system...am I right. I am
just trying to find a solution to this problem. Any insight and
knowledge from members is greatly appreciated.

Gout, dandruff, psoriasis, et. al.

2007-01-25 16:35:05

Psoriasis is a cutaneous manifestation of a systemic
infection.
Dandruff seems to be related to a variety of fungal
infections.
Gout, according to one researcher, is really a fungal
infection and all gout remedies are effective simply
because they are also anti-fungal remedies.
This may help to explain why some people can have such
high uric acid levels but not develop gout.

Gout/Psoriasis connection.....

2007-01-25 12:30:19

It turns out I might have Psoriatic Arthritis and not Gout after all.
I still need to see my doctor to confirm my suspicions. Upon studying
these conditions I found out that PA is sometimes mistakenly
diagnosed as Gout because with PA you also have high uric acid
levels. You can generally tell if it's PA rather than Gout if you
already have Psoriasis of the skin and also what is known as "sausage
digits" in toes or fingers have a sausage like appearance. Also
Arthritis of other joints is another telling sign of PA. I can't
fully straighten out my right arm or make a fist. I always wondered
why I never had the classic Big Toe attack of Gout. Thank you newfoot
for the insight....about PA. I finally put the puzzle together.

Internal as well as external

2007-01-25 05:10:38

For those of you who afre afraid of allopurinol, (Include me on that
list although I take it every day) you should take note of the fact
that allopurinol has been shown, in conjunction with 500Mg/day of
vitamin E, to improve arterial strength, blood flow and overall
arterial health. It has been shown to be useful as a medication
before and during open heart surgery because it reduces overall
damage and scaring from the operation and patients treated with
allopurinol and vitamin e before heart surgery end up redcovering
faster and achieve a measruably higher level of recovery. Finally, in
extensive testing of heat tolerance in rats, they discovered that
rats that were treated with a dosage of allopurinol that would be
equivalent to 300 mg/day in an adult male @ 160 lbs, - no vitamin e
in these experiments- the treated rats were able to tolerate about
10F higher temperature, indefinately, compared to rats that did not
have the allopurinol treatment. Just to be sure I state it correctly,
they can raise the temperature of the surroundings of rats so that
all of the non-alloppurinol treated rats die and none of the treated
rats die.
It ain't all bad if you are on allopurinol and the data are so strong
in its favor that I think I might just take it if I didn't have gout
just for the cardio vascular benefits. The heat resistance is related
only slightly to the improved circulation by the way and relates
primarily to the fact that it inhibits an enzyme breakdown that is
heat induced and is fatal if it happens. If you get trapped in the
desert and have to walk out, don't forget your allopurinol--if you
have enough water to take it, that is.....:)

Re Gout and Dandruff (psorias)

2007-01-25 00:49:22

I have always had to use an anti dandruff shampoo (vosene). I just put it down to the fact that I had a dry fine hair strand. I never made any connection until I saw the notes on the allopurinol package.
I always used a NORMAL shampoo up till about 1994 which is when I can recall my first (undiagnosed) attack. I was in India eating buckets of Lentil Curry (pulses is one of my triggers) After that holiday I had to start using Anti dandruff shampoo because the flakiness started - at the time I thought my hair had dried out due to the intensive heat, but now, I am not so sure.
I will do some research today into the allopurinol and its psoriasis healing properties, but it would be useful to hear from anyone else if they can make a connection between gout and psoriasis. Arnold has already done the 2+2=4 from his experiences.
Regards,
Tony

Cherry juice

2007-01-24 13:33:11

Hi,
We have found a supplier of pure organic cherry juice in the UK and, in case
anyone has found difficulty in locating a source it is stocked by the General
Nutrition Centres (GNC), who, I imagine are some sort of chain throughout
the UK. It's pricey but if it does the trick.....great !
I now have a question about the recommended doseage of cherry juice.....can
anyone advise on this, please ?
Thanks for any info,
Ted Bassett.

Allopurinol

2007-01-24 13:28:28

I have been on Allopurinol 300 mg for 9 months now and never had any recurrence
since my first attack though I have not restricted my diet.
I won't mind taking allopurinol for life but would somebody recommend otherwise?
Why?
Kigo

Gout Info Link

2007-01-24 02:49:07

Here is an interesting link I found.
http://faculty.washington.edu/momus/PB/gout.htm

test

2007-01-23 22:47:52

testing

pre-gout?

2007-01-23 21:07:56

Hello -
I'm concerned I may be experiencing the beginning pains of gout, and
I wanted to run my symptoms by this group. Before I start into it, I
want it knows these symptoms are very mild, and all the research
I've done has told me the onset is very painful.
I feel a nagging discomfort (more annoying than painful) in my big
toe that sometimes manifests itself in the large joint, sometimes in
the smaller joint by the nail, and sometimes under my arch. There is
no swelling whatsoever, and no redness that I can find.
My grandfather suffered from gout, and I have been known to drink
too much (not an alcoholic, but I do get some nasty hangovers every
month or so).
My question is: is onset severe and unexpected, or is there a slow
buildup of pain and I'm experiencing the very beginings of it.
Thanks for your time if anyone decides to respond. Here's to a
healthy 2004.
bB

newfoot you might be right.....

2007-01-23 11:03:23

I do have psoriais also and I thought my sausage toe was caused by
gout. My dad has gout too and he doesn't walk around with a sausage
toe when there are no attacks. I have a sauasage toe even when the
gout is under control. But I do have gout also the doctor diagnosed
it. So it could be that I have both Gout and Psoriatic Arthritis....I
did start taking allopurinol a few weeks ago and couldn't figure out
why the sausage toe doesn't seem to be going away. Will the sausage
toe go away from Allopurinol even if the sausage toe might be from
Psoriatic Arthritis?

allergies

2007-01-23 08:10:35

I think the allergy thing may well come into play in gout.
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A theory

2007-01-23 01:46:15

Several things that have been said in this forum, along with some of
my personal experiences have led me to postulate something.
I'll try to lay it out.
I'm looking for feedback here on this one.
First, the fact that there are some things that I know that I cannot
eat and i also know that these things are not high in salt content
nor are they high in purenes so why do they induce an attack?
One of the things that i am sure induces an attack in me, shrimp,
happens to be high in purenes and therefore I didn't make the
connection thinking that it was the purene content in the shrimp. I
can eat as few as two shrimp and I get an attack.
Others have posted things recently on here that induce attacks and I
know I get an attack when I eat Mangos, Pinapple and Guava.
I know from past experience, from way back in my childhood, that I
have always been alergic to certain foods. For example I stay away
from shrimp because it makes my mouth break out in small sore's in my
mouth. Mangos, particularly if they are a little bit too green, make
me get hives and pineapple gives me a rash.
Allergic reactions all.
Now lets think about this.
Allergic reaction.
What happens when you have an allergic reaction. What happens is that
your body generates inflamation of some kind somewhere.
Now, lets say that you are coasting along in life, and your urate
crystals are jsut in equilibrium with your white blood cells and your
gout reaction is essentially dormant. But reality is that your gout
is just barely not erupting, no pain at all but at the present level
of inflamation of the area, you are not having a problem. Maybe a
twinge or three but no real gout reaction. But the crystalks are
there.
What happends when you eat something that you are alergic to. Your
body says, there is something that is invading me and I, your body,
need to go and get it. But, if your bodies defenses get alerted, they
do indeed go out and make sores in your mouth, or generate hives on
your skin, but it will also go after the urate crustals that are
still there but which were at such a level that your body didn't need
to respond. Now that it has beedn alerted, now that the alergic
reaction has heightened, your body goes after anything that it views
as an alien substance and the urate fits that criterion.
I am saying that gout must have some components of straitforward
alergic reactions.

Will my toe ever look normal again?

2007-01-22 17:50:42

I'm on various medication that keeps my gout in control. I get gout
on my fourth toe of my foot..the pain is totally gone no attacks in a
while. But my toe still looks like a purple vienna sausage. Why is it
not returning to a normal appearance? Will it happen in time? Or is
there deposits which will have to be surgically removed? Please help.

Hello

2007-01-22 12:27:57

I am a new member. About three weeks ago, my foot started hurting.
By the end of the day it was so swollen, red and the pain was almost
unbearable. My kids took me to the hospital. I really thought that
I broke my ankle. It was huge. So red, shiny, hot and throbbed so
much. I couldn't even get off the chair. I had to use crutches.
They said I had gout. It's almost three weeks and the pain is still
there and the swelling has gone down a little. I can only wear
tennis shoes. He gave me a nsaid and also colcichine (<sp<. I had
three of the colcichine and got sick. So then he gave me a stronger
nsaid and Lasic to help the swelling. I can walk without crutches
or a cane but it still hurts like heck. I heard so many things
about vitamin suppliments, gout creme etc. I am going back to see
the doc monday night and then to see the foot doc thursday to see
what he has to say. I am almost going crazy with this pain in this
big foot. I thought by now I would feel better.

points of failure

2007-01-22 10:34:20

Most complex systems fail at their weakest point. Any
weakness that once allowed bacteria to enter a joint
may help. If indeed certain cases of gout are in fact
caused by P. multocida from an animal bite then any
weakness would eventually be exploited.
However, it appears that it is highly variable.

Miscellaneous

2007-01-21 17:23:57

Hi all,
First a message from my wife...."Saw podiatrist today. All things considered
(advanced years and natural wear and tear and evidence of osteoarthritis in
toe joint and slight enlargement) my feet are in good shape. So back to my GP
in February. On subject of diet, has anyone ever considered the Hay Diet ?
This
says never eat protein and carbs at the same meal. Ratio per day: 4 carbs to 1
protein (80% to 20%). Eat butter or veg oils, not margarine and emphatically
take 4 hours between one meal and the next. A 3 meals a day programme is
ideally one starch, one protein and one wholly alkaline meal...."
A comment from me...the podiatrist remarked that in his experience gout is
more
likely to occur in men than in women and more likely to attack joints in the
right
extremities (toes, foot, ankle, heel and possibly knee) than in the left.
This seemed
to me to support my contention that gout targets injured or even just
moderately stressed joints. Most men are right-handed and therefore right-footed
and
only
men, in general, play games where kicking is involved....football, rugby etc.
This
isn't to say that nobody else should suffer but that the tendency is that
kicking
sports leave a legacy which comes back in later years. It certainly happened
to me.
Has a study ever been done into this possibility ? Thanks for any info.
Ted Bassett

[gout] Gout and MY Low Carb Diet

2007-01-21 12:22:23

Hey all, I have been a gout sufferer for a decade now. last attack lasted 4 months. When I went to my Dr. last, he had concerns about my blood pressure and my cholestral (both very high) and I do not like taking meds or having procedures if avoidable, so i created my own diet, with my being prone to gout in mind. so far, so good, I lost 20 pounds in 6 weeks and lowered my cholesterol by 30 points, and have not ant any gout warnings. After 6 weeks, had my blood tested for uric acid, a small rise, but not bad. I have taken 2 weeks off the severe aspects of the diet (but not returned to my normal eating patterns, kinda halfway back to my norms) and will be resuming the diet again for another 4 weeks.

OK, here is my diet- First the To-Do's, then the No-no's, then the products.

It may get boring, but it works.

Although, if you are creative, you can make it less boring.

Its also easily portable to work

The To Do's

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Read the labels on all foods. (you will be surprised) For example, on some foods, you will note it is a certain percent fat, but no or little saturated fat. This is a good thing. In the reverse, you will find products with higher cholesterol than the fat percentages would cause you to expect. This is because in these foods, the carbs get changed to fat after ingesting.
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make sure to watch the saturated fats especially.
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expect to eat 1/2 your normal volume per day, BUT Eat more small meals per day, 4-5 little meals works out better. Makes your body burn off better. Its like stoking a furnace
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Eat as much produce as you care for in which the edible parts are Green or brown in color, then orange/reds, then yellows
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At least one salad per day, But I recommend 2 per day. with 1 tablespoon of no-fat or low fat dressing. (For myself I, water it down to spread it further) Or I make my own dressing. (one of many examples would be-citrus juice, certain spices & herbs & water make a great, tasty & refreshing no fat dressing)
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Eat a minimum of 2 servings of Soluble fiber per day (helps eliminate fats & Cholesterol from the blood) and more if you can/want. Soluble fiber is found in oats, oatmeal, oat bran, wheat bran, barley; beans, legumes, barley, citrus fruits and certain fruits, psyllium, vegetable gum include konjac gum, pectin, guar gum and gum arabic, to name a few. Oats have the highest proportion of soluble fiber among cereals.
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Beans are good sources of both fiber types. The cereal containing highest level of soluble fiber is oat bran, which has about 14% soluble fiber. All other food grains contain much less soluble fiber than oat bran. A common entree for me is Hormels vegeterian chili. They use vegetable protiens to make it seem like it has meat, for the purpose, its good and inexpensive. To create variety, I add in various veggies, spices, herbs, etc.
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Bake, Broil or Boil meats. No frying. You can eat ground beef, IF you "brown" it, and then rinse (with HOT water) all the fat off immediately while the meat is still hot. As to flesh based protien (beef, poultry & fish) For myself, because of gout I limit my protein to 60-70% of the RDV,. If you are not gout prone, you can eat 100% or more protein, but it should be mostly fish (salmon,Tuna, swordfish- very high in the good fat that actually helps lower cholesteral), then white meat chicken (no skin). maybe once a week, for a treat, a little bit of very lean red meat. (Dark meat chicken & most beef, very high in fats- after you eat this way for a few weeks, if you eat some regular red meat or dark meat chicken, you will be surprised at how much grease you will notice. It will be on your tongue & mouth for hours, and be unpleasant) My most common protien is one 7 ounce no drain bag of Tuna per day (spread over several meals). One bag is 70% of the RDV of protien, so your not
overdoing it, if like me, you are gout prone. I use the 7 oz bag instead of the 6 oz can of tuna, because they include the water weight in the can. In the bag, you get twice as much Tuna. Plus i buy mine at the 99 cent store, so thats not bad ! For variety I flavor with various no/lo fat suaces, relishes, herbs, spices etc.
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Make your own low fat / no-fat sauces for your food to replace the flavor (mostly comes from fat) that we are used to, for meats & produce. Learn to use spices to make good flavors with the goal of minimal sugar & fat (percieved) needs in foods. Use water, or fruit / vegetable juices as your base liquid, not oil.
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Take a good multi-vitaman daily
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Beverage of Choice should be water. between a half gallon to 3/4 of a gallon per day to flush out your system. You can flavor with a little fruit juice (but no sugar) No Sodas (including diet) & limit coffee & tea to once a day

the No-No's

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No more than 1 plain baked potato or one serving (small) of Pasta per week, if any at all.
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No more than one small serving of rice per week
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No shellfish
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No oils, except when really a necessity, then a little Extra virgin Olive oil only
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Limit Bread to one or 2 small servings a week at the most, if at all
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Limit intake of carbs to 35% at the most, of the RDV per day
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Limit intake of Saturated fat to 15 - 20% at the most, of the RDV per day.
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Limit intake of Cholesterol to 10-20% at the most, of the RDV, EXCEPT for Fish (Tuna & Salmon) Cholesterol. The Fish cholesterol is Omega-6, it is the good fat. Lowers your bad fats.
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Limit sugar to tea & coffee only, and cut that amount of sugar in half
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Limit eating processed foods, especially those with made with Corn syrup (very bad) & High fructose syrup. we do not process/digest corn syrup well, it acts as a carb, gtransforms to fat.
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Only one "normal" (small) snack per week, if any at all.
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NOTE: Before eating those so called "Low-fat" frozen dinners (including the big name brands), read the labels. For the amount of food you get, vs. the cost, they are higher fat than you are thinking. I compared. Some were low (6 grams sat fat) but most of the flavors ranged as high 15-22% fats, and it would take 2 of these to make one meal. You are better off (both in terms of fat, carbs & cost) eating otherwise (see my shopping list)
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Basic rule of thumb is If its produce & its white (potato, banana, etc) limit severely as it is higher in carbs. Eat a lot more produce that are Green or brown in color, then orange/reds.
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My Shopping List - From the 99 cent store and / or The Dollar tree

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7 oz bag (no drain) Tuna- You get better value than the can, because a 6 oz can of Tuna, they are including the water weight in the can. You only get half as much actual tuna with the can. - You can eat a whole bag per day. A whole bag a day gives you 75% RDV of protien, No saturated Fat, No Carbs & 30% of choesteral-However, much of this is the good fat, not the bad fat.
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Hormel vegetarian Chili - 99% fat free-you can eat a half can to a full can per day
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Any low fat & No-fat soup products (especially Haines & Westbrea brands)- depending on the fats & carbs, you can eat half a can to 2 cans per day. Tomato soups are good too, use the crackers I will mention below.
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Varied & products such as Haines Breakfast bars (only 1 bar per day) & some of their crackers, also healthy valley crackers (cracked pepper, vegetable, etc) which are very low in carbs, no sat fat etc. You can eat 1/3 of a box of the health valley crackers per day.
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Red Peppers in the jar - Bec