Hello

2006-08-31 19:08:43

Hi everyone,
Im new here. I joined because I have questions whether or not I have gout..
For the 4th time this year my finger has swollen up. No cuts, didnt hurt it
in anyway. This time it is a different finger, But feels the same. I had
blood tests for uric acid they all come back normal. ALso for rheumatoid
arthritis. Etc. My dad has gout so am suspecting it for me. But the drs keep
saying you only get it in your feet. I have read you can get it in any joint
it just isnt as common. I read they can try to take fluid out of the swollen
joint to see if there are crystals in there. But ehy have to do it while it
is still swollen. The first time this lasted 6 weeks. The dr had me on
antibiotics thinking it was an infection. Also finally went down when I took
grapeseed.. ( an antiinflammatory) The next time didnt last as long only a
week. This is beginning to worry me and just wanted to see if anyone else
had it in their fingers too thanks
Rebecca

I vote NO

2006-08-31 19:03:21

I have to chime in here now!!
A agree whole heatedly with Mark. This, and other mailing lists of its kind
are for SUPPORT and SHARING of information on whatever the issue of the
list is. In keeping with the spirit of FREELY sharing information with
people in the same boat, it is scary and thoughtless that someone would
join, and then tell everyone they will ONLY share thier info if the people
pay.
Now, from my readings about gout, through here and other sources, toe one
big thing I have found is that not all "cures" work for all people. So,
Joe, if something worked well for you, that is GREAT..but that does not
necissarily mean it will work for all other gout suffers. Thus, the reason
for a mailing list such as this one.
Joe, if you want to sell info..then get a website, take an ad in the
paper...do NOT go to a group of vulerable people and say you will only share
if they pay.
The one thing that gets my goat is that you claim that you will give the
info "for free" out of the goodness of your heart if not enough people want
to pay.
Thanks but no thanks..my vote is keep your info to yourself. Return this
list to folks who are willing to share thier info with no strings attached.
Marie

I'm going to re-think this

2006-08-31 08:13:11

Hello all
only a few have responded so far, but between posts and the poll I'd
say right now its 50 - 50 on my selling the gout plan that has worked
for me. I appreciate the responses, would like more input
( both for & against).
But I'm going to re-think the whole thing and consider the P.O.V.s
I've already gotten.
Thanks
Joe

Joe Falcone's Gout Regimen

2006-08-31 00:36:37

Joseph Falcone" <wolf1957@...
"To be fair, I'm going to ask the group to "vote" on
if I am out of line to try to earn back a little of the
money I've lost due to gout over the past 10 years.
If a large majority of you feel that I am wrong, I'll
post the plan thats been working for me for the
past year & expect nothing in return."
(snip the pain and suffering stuff)
Joe, you ought to adhere to the spirit of the group
and post the "plan" -- for whatever it's worth -- free
of charge.
This forum is a place to "comrades in suffering" to
share ideas, treatments and ideas for conquering
their pain, _not_ to reimburse you for your own
treatment choices. You want to make a buck selling
a cure for gout? Buy a billboard.
Just my two cents. Your mileage may vary.
More to the topic of the group: I just got over a four-
week bout that migrated from my ankle to my instep
to my toe then back to my ankle. Finally got it under
control with Vicodin, Vioxx and colchicine (and
possibly the cherry extract capsules, but I have my
doubts). Last week's blood test showed my uric acid
levels are now near normal thanks to a new (600 mg)
allopurinol regimen. Hope it lasts.
Nice to be able to walk. Hope everyone else is well.
-Eric

put it to a "vote"

2006-08-30 22:14:34

Hello all,
To be fair, I'm going to ask the group to "vote" on if I am out of
line to try to earn back a little of the money I've lost due to gout
over the past 10 years. If a large majority of you feel that I am
wrong, I'll post the plan thats been working for me for the past year
& expect nothing in return.
Here are the facts.
1) I have been a gout victim for 10 years.
2) Lost money & JOBS due to being unable to work when gout attacked
3) studied my situation as to what seemed to trigger my gout, what
seemed to keep it away for 2 years
4) practiced my "plan" myself for 1 year w/ excellent results.
5) I plan to ask $2.00 over the cost of printing & shipping for a
total cost of $3.00 - $4.00. NOT an extravagant amount that MIGHT
help end (as it seems to have done for me )your gout or mybe just
lessen it for you.
6) you do not need to buy anything from me but the plan itself, I am
NOT selling pills, drinks etc etc.
7) the "plan" consists of :
A) a few supplements ( buy them where you wish in your area), some
are daily, some weekly
B) A few dietary changes. Such as, never eat these again, limit these
others and DO EAT these whether you enjoy it or not
C) A mental attidute to take. (yes, it does make a difference, you
can
trigger gout w/ your emotions )
D) A few small lifestyle changes.
8) Would like to earn back some of what I've lost over the years. I
feel that its not immoral. I'm not just giving you 1 or 2
suggestions,
but a full plan that has worked for me. AGAIN, NO Promises, But what
works for one may work ( or at least help) others.
You can e-mail me directly at
wolf1957@...
or we can start a poll here if you wish, matter of fact, if this
group
is set-up to let any member start a poll, then I will start one for
this.
Thanks
Joe

New poll for gout

2006-08-30 18:54:56

Enter your vote today! Check out the new poll for the gout
group:
Should Joe a.k.a.
wolf1957@...
charge for the plan that has kept him
gout free for the past year ?
here is Joe's point of view & facts
about the "plan"
1) I (Joe) have been a gout victim for
10 years.
2) Lost money & JOBS due to being
unable to work when gout
attacked
3) studied my situation as to what
seemed to trigger my gout, what
seemed to keep it away for 2 years
4) practiced my "plan" myself for 1
year w/ excellent results.
5) I plan to ask $2.00 over the cost of
printing & shipping for a
total cost of $3.00 - $4.00. NOT an
extravagant amount that MIGHT
help end (as it seems to have done for
me )your gout or mybe just
lessen it for you.
6) you do not need to buy anything from
me but the plan itself, I am
NOT selling pills, drinks etc etc.
7) the "plan" consists of :
A) a few supplements ( buy them where
you wish in your area), some
are daily, some weekly
B) A few dietary changes. Such as,
never eat these again, limit these
others and DO EAT these whether you
enjoy it or not
C) A mental attidute to take. (yes, it
does make a difference, you can
trigger gout w/ your emotions )
D) A few small lifestyle changes.
8) Would like to earn back some of what
I've lost over the years. I feel that
its not immoral. I'm not just giving
you 1 or 2 suggestions, but a full
plan that has worked for me. AGAIN, NO
Promises, But what
works for one may work ( or at least
help) others.
o Its ok to charge a small price
o Its o.k., but should include refund for those who feel its not effective
o its wrong, Joe should share for free.
o undecided
To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://www.egroups.com/polls/gout
Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the eGroups
web site listed above.
Thanks!

Response to me from Barry Brockhoff

2006-08-30 16:21:18

hello to all, and especially to Barry
Barry send me the following response to a message I posted to the
group.
"
because I
think you are a conman trying to make money from somebody elses
misery
-Are
you going to offer a refund to all the people that it doesn't work
for,
There is no QUACK cure for gout and this site is dedicated to helping
people
helping each other for NO charge"
I have no problem w/ his feeling that I should "share" whats working
for me. I expected some to say that.
However I do take offensive at being called a conman & that I want to
take advantage of other peoples misery.
I have suffered w/ gout for 10 years, Used to get it 3x a year. Lost
many workdays, as well as JOBS.
Hard to stay employed when you have to "take off" 3x a year for 1 -2
months at a time.
So I do not see anything wrong w/ asking a SMALL price
($3.00 - $4.00, which would give me a whole $2.00 profit after
printing & shipping !) ) for a plan that MIGHT help. It has
definately
worked for me.
How much have we ALL spent on perscriptions & natural "cures" &
treatments, that (in my experience at least) either do nothing or
decrease their effectiveness w/ use & time.
Last point, I made NO PROMISES, I said clearly in my message that it
worked for me & MIGHT help others. At the end of this post I'll
include a copy of my original message to the group.
MY ORIGINAL MESSAGE"

I hav'nt had an attack in a year

2006-08-30 05:15:52

Hello all.
I used to get 3 attacks a year. they were 1.5 - 2 months duration and
getting worse & longer each time. Cherry juice helped in the past,
but w/ time its effectiveness decreased. celery was helpfull, for a
while. perscriptions were of little use.
I hav'nt had an attack or a warning in a year.
I've been eating "wrong" for gout for 9 months now.
This week I ate at a buffet 5 times, lots of meat & desserts.
No attack, no warning.
I have found a plan that works for me.
May work for others too, but no promises.
It involves a few over the counter supplements, small permanent diet
change ( eating none of some & more of others that I did not used to
eat much of )etc.
I plan to print a booklet and offer it for sale.( $3.00 - $4.00 )
i know, as a fellow gout victim, should'nt I share ?
Well, I know how much I've lost in work days due to gout, How much
I've spend on various "cures" & treatments.
I see no reason to earn a little back. If I wanted an outragous
amount, that would be wrong.
Thats why I'll be offering it at a small price ($2.00 over the cost
of printing & mailing, I expect it will come to $3 to $4 bucks each)
I can be reached at
wolf1957@...
Thanks
Joe

stress and other stuff

2006-08-30 04:26:51

Hi Everyone!

I hope everyone is having a good weekend. It seems that I'm going to be going back to work tomorrow evening. (For those of you who don't know, I drive an 18 wheeler cross country in the US) Talk about a high stress job, trucking is....it's not all fun and play and seeing the country side. I've been doing this since I was 18 years old (started driving in the state of Oklahoma for 3 years) and I'm 42 now. Lots of work, believe me. But keeping up with schedules to load and then drive to destination within a certain period of time and then unloading....on and on, inadfinium....is definitely stressful.

I've had several attack initiated by stress and also several initiated by injuries. It seems that the more stress the more severe the attack.

Brenda, I'm glad you liked the Hillbilly med terms. I thought those were cute when I saw them at my doctor's office the other day.

Well, I'm getting ready (clothing, etc., packed) to go back to work tomorrow. Sure am looking forward to it. I've really missed my boyfriend (I drive team with him.) and our little dog, Lobo. They keep me sane and Terry is a big help as the gout has gotten me to the point that it's difficult to do my job.

Everyone stay well and happy and I'll be back in about 6 weeks. God Bless.

Joyce

Gout and Stress/Trauma

2006-08-29 21:50:28

Have been monitoring the group for last few weeks. Interested in comments
regarding stress/trauma and the taking of medication.
I am male and in early 60's and have had about 20 attacks in the last 10
years, all in my feet except the last one in which was in my left knee.
My wife has SLE (Lupus) and we looked after her elderly mother who stayed
with us. My wife had 2 or 3 severe bouts of Lupus symptoms a year and was
completely incapacitated by them for about a week at a time. When this
happened I had to look after her, her mother and try and keep my work going.
During each of these occurences a gout attack would start after a couple
of days. These were not the worst attacks I have ever had, but were
significant. After a while I realised that there was a relationship between
my wife's Lupus attacks and the stress they generated. This was confirmed
as being a possible trigger by the Rheumatologist I consulted.
I have also had gout attacks which started shortly after some sort of trauma
incident such as:-
- a hairline fracture in the ankle
- a new pair of shoe that rubbed
- kicking a chair whilst in bare feet
Regarding the taking of NSAIDs, I take Rheumox (I think its the UK name for
something similar to Indo.). Whilst it does not seem to have quite as bad
side effects as Indo. it can cause stomach problems. I now tend to take it
during a meal (usually between courses) and this does seem to minimise the
side effects.
My latest episode was in my knee and was not proven to be gout - I have
still to visit a rheumatologist. It laid me up for three weeks and my knee
is still not 100%. I would be interested in hearing about anyone else with
similar episodes or who has had pseudo-gout.
Mike

Stress: a key factor....

2006-08-29 11:10:05

After working for three years at a Silicon Valley startup company, and
getting more stressed out each year; especially approaching Christmas,
when there was deadlines. I was woken up one morning (Jan. '96, I was 47
years old) by a pain in my big toe joint that seened to be getting more
intense. Since I know I didn't sprain it, I theorized that my cat had
slept on my foot all night, causing a stretched ligament or something.
I ended up dropping in on a clinic later to get it checked, because it
was so painful. After an X-ray showed nothing, the physician suggested I
get a regular doctor and get a check-up.
A few days later, I had a checkup. This new doctor told me the toe pain
was probably due tio a sprain, and by the way, the tests showed that my
blood pressure was dangerous (190 over something) and that my
cholesterol was very high (my ldl/hdl ratio was also bad). Also, my
weight was an issue (190, which is the highest it's ever been)
Up to that point, whenever I had had a blood pressure check (not very
often) or cholesterol check (rarely) they had been dead normal.
Anyway, it got my attention. The doc put me on BP meds and told me to
try diet mods for the cholesterol/weight problem. (Also, I love the
fermented spirits of the grapes & grain, if you know what I mean, which
didn't help)
To make a long story short, I modified my behavior. My BP and
cholesterol gradually came down to normal over a year and a half (no
more BP meds). The foot pain came back hit me again the next christmas
(stress time) and I borrowed some crutches.
To make a long story even shorter....I realized that the stress that I
was subject to at my job was getting the better of me. There were some
impossible deadlines that couldn't be met due to the company being small
and inexperienced. This is what, over a couple of years, wrecked my
health, and initiated my first gout attack (I found out that both my
parents in their later years were diagnosed with gout).
My diet, exercise & imibing have slipped back from the Spartan level
that it was, with no ill effects so far. The one thing that I keep in
control is my stress level. I'm still working at the same hi tech
company that I have been at since '92, but now I NEVER let the job
stress me out in a negative way,: I'll do something to deal with the
problem: i.e. get extra help or get the schedule modified. My health is
# 1. I am actually more efficient when I have the stress under
control....
I believe that learning to deal with stress and diffuse it as soon as
possible ( you can never avoid it or eliminate it), prevents or
minimizes the effects of many illnesses. I beleive that if you get
stress under control, that most of the other so called u''nhealthy
habits will fall into line....
My gout attacks have decreased from 3 or so times a year to ??? one so
far. Keeping some Indomethacin capsules on me at all times is a +. If
you take it at the first twinge, you could head off a damaging attack.
If you wait a few hours, it will have much less of an effect in reducing
the pain & swelling
Anyway, my point is that uncontrolled stress over a long period of time
is destructive to your health, but you don't realize it because it kind
of sneaks up on you. And, even if you become aware of this as a cause,
it still takes a long time to reverse the effects.

Gout "cure"

2006-08-29 07:43:22

Yeah, Joyce, I was suspicious of the name "Gout Cure" too, but
decided
to try it anyway to see if it would help CONTROL my gout. I just
ordered one bottle, & thought it hadn't done any good, so didn't
re-order it. Then, after I quit taking it, I had a new attack.
Coincidence? Don't kow, but after I started it up again, the
inflamation & pain went away, with NO side effects like I'd had with
Indocin. The ingred. SEEM harmless - garlic, artichoke powder, milk
thistle(which I know to be good for the liver), & yucca stalk. Side
effects of herbals are usually MUCH milder than those of strong
perscription drugs. (& I've kept my Dr. informed of what I'm taking,
in case of conflict) He's pretty knowledgeable about drug/herb
interactions.
Also, as to the Chondroitin/glucosomine mix, I know it's slow,
but my sister's spinal x-rays, after about a year of taking it made a
believer of me. Her degenerated discs had regenerated! that was a
pretty convincing proof to me that it not only lubricates joints, but
regrows cartlidge if it isn't completely gone.
Glad you had a good report from your Dr. Keep up the good work.
Brenda

my progress although he did add Colchicine 0.6 mg twice/daily to my
regime. Believe me, i get soooo tired of taking medicine. But it
keeps me functioning.
of sodium bicarb in a 6 oz glass of water and drink it. That is to
alkalanize (sp?) the urine and to help prevent the formation of
kidney
stones from the medications we take. Also, we talked about
Gluclosimine. He says that it has a short-term affect of relieving
minor joint pain and that taking it would not hurt. However, it
takes
several years for possitive results (if any) to show up in xrays and
other tests.
Herbals have been known to have serious side affects when mixed with
some prescription drugs. And, Brenda, I'm sorry but I'm really
suspicious of anything that says it's a "gout cure." There is no
cure
for gout. It can only be controlled...believe me, I know.

(No subject)

2006-08-29 01:13:13

Hello Everyone!

I just got back from my rheumatologist and he was very pleased with my progress although he did add Colchicine 0.6 mg twice/daily to my regime. Believe me, i get soooo tired of taking medicine. But it keeps me functioning.

The doctor recommended that every nite before bed, mix just a pinch of sodium bicarb in a 6 oz glass of water and drink it. That is to alkalanize (sp?) the urine and to help prevent the formation of kidney stones from the medications we take. Also, we talked about Gluclosimine. He says that it has a short-term affect of relieving minor joint pain and that taking it would not hurt. However, it takes several years for possitive results (if any) to show up in xrays and other tests.

Concerning herbals, I must stress one thing..Please...be careful. Herbals have been known to have serious side affects when mixed with some prescription drugs. And, Brenda, I'm sorry but I'm really suspicious of anything that says it's a "gout cure." There is no cure for gout. It can only be controlled...believe me, I know.

Well, I guess I've spouted off long enough. Hope everyone has a great day.

Joyce

Stress

2006-08-28 21:18:17

This is very interesting RB. I never thought to correlate stress with
gout attacks, though it stands to reason. Stres triggers so many
other
physical problems. And I am just having my second attack, right after
a MOST stressful period at work. I work in a nursing home, & we just
had our annual state inspection. Though we passed with flying colors,
it's still a very stressful few days when State is here. But I never
thought to put the two together, other than to wonder if being on my
feet more than usual had possibly triggered it. Is it physical or
emotional stress that does it? Or both? Brenda

Stress

2006-08-28 08:38:10

That is very interesting. I have somewhat corrected
my high stress level, by quitting my old job and
getting a new one that is much less stressful. I
wonder if this means I will have less gout attacks.
Or, no more gout attacks at all. I sure hope so.
--Diane

(No subject)

2006-08-28 06:40:06

I know from personal experience there is a strong link between high stress
levels and gout. Stress is not necessarily harmful or adverse for us. It
can even be a positive factor. But, it does represent certain physical and
mental changes in our body "alert" posture. It may well be that some of the
definite but subtle chemical changes we experience with stress may be gout
trigggers. The psychsomatic element may play a role, too. At any rate, I
know that when I am under prolonged stress, that is when my attacks are most
frequent.

Stress triggers gout?

2006-08-27 23:37:59

Wow, this is the first I have read of stress
triggering a gout attack. I was suffering a lot of
stress in my life at the time I got my first attack,
thinking it over. Hmmmm.....
--Diane

Indomethacin

2006-08-27 22:09:16

Did you folks who took Indomethacin (and then got
nauseous from it) take it along with a FULL MEAL? I
found that the only time I took it where it made me
ill (diarreah), I had not taken it with much food (a
handful of chips and some soda). After that, I always
made a point to take it with a FULL meal, and never
had any problems from it again.
--Diane

FDA

2006-08-27 07:16:40

Members of The Life Extension Foundation received great news this
Summer when they learned that both the House and Senate
overwhelmingly passed legislation that legalizes the importation
of drugs made in FDA-approved facilities in the US and abroad.
President Clinton has said he will sign this legislation.
This drug importation legislation is included as part of the
Agriculture Appropriations bill. If this final bill is signed
into law, it will greatly reduce the cost of prescription
medications to the consumer. The drug industry, on the other
hand, is battling tooth and nail to convince Congress to drop the
drug importation provision from the Agriculture Appropriations
bill. The drug companies, of course, want to protect their
illicit monopoly of the American marketplace.
We are therefore asking those who cherish free choice to call
their U.S. Representative and request that he/she sign a letter
to the Agriculture Appropriations Conferees that is now being
circulated by Congressman Gil Gutknecht. This particular letter
(attached below) urges the Conferees to keep the drug importation
provision in the final version of the Agriculture Appropriations
bill.
If you don't know the name of your Representative, please call
the House switchboard at 1-202-224-3121 or access the House's Web
site at (www.house.gov).
Please join the growing army of educated consumers who have
discovered that identical medications can be obtained from other
countries at much lower prices.
By asking your Congressional representative to sign on to the
letter being circulated by Congressman Gil Gutknecht, you will
help beat back drug industry lobbyists who are seeking to ensure
that Americans keep paying the highest prices in the world for
their prescription medications.
Attached below is the letter by Congressmen Gil Gutknecht that
you should ask your member of Congress to sign on to. You can ask
your member of Congress to call Gil Gutkneck's office at
202-225-2472 to sign on to this letter.
For longer life,
William Faloon

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FDA/Medicines

2006-08-26 18:36:45

Good Afternoon and Happy Saturday, Everyone!

I don't know if the FDA is taking kickbacks (wouldn't surprise me though) but the big pharmaceutical companies are making a killing off the drugs the FDA bans in the US. There are so many rules and regulations a drug company has to follow for a drug to be sold in the US, that it's more profitable for them to be marketed outside the US. Not to mention the lobbyists in Washington, DC who get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to make sure the drug companies get what they want.

The bottom line is profit. The FDA may have people's best interests at heart when they make sure that drugs are safe and effective for human use. However, the drug companies don't give a #%$# about people. All they care about is money. If a drug works too well and makes people better then the drug companies have the FDA ban it for US consumption and take it outside the country where they can make a bigger profit. They don't want people to get well. They want to sell their drugs to sick people at the highest price they can. (Sounds kinda like a dope pusher, doesn't it?)

That's another reason the drug companies don't want their drugs to be sold in the US. Our government, in it's infinite wisdom, puts a cap on drug prices.
Well, I guess I've ranted enough for now. Sorry about the soap-box, folks. I hope everyone is enjoying their Saturday. Take care

Joyce

Medicine making gout worse?

2006-08-26 14:01:38

Dear Jeff, I'm not familiar with Ziac, but I "gave" myself gout by
continuing to use a thyazide type diuretic for about 20 years after I
was warned that it could cause gout, by concentrating the uric acid
in
my blood when the diuretic pulled water out. I have high blood
pressure & was on lopressor(a beta blocker) & hydrothiazide, which
worked quite well to control my blood pressure. BUT I stupidly
refused
to change to another type of high blood pressure med. even after the
dr put me on a course of Allopurinol 20 years ago to lower my uric
acid level, & said it would need to be watched. Did I watch it? Naw.
so now I have gout AND high blood pressure, & am on a different
diuretic, Demadex. I get occasional twinges (only l attack so far) &
am trying to stick to my low protein diet & drinking lots of water &
cherry juice. You might ask your dr. what kind of diuretic Ziac h as
in it, & if it's a thiazide-type, get him to change it. Good Luck
with your gout. Brenda.

I
was 19
(5mg)
for
to
the
mg/daily
for 2

WalkItOff on Egroups

2006-08-26 09:46:13

WalkItOff is a group of people who are trying to
incorporate regular walking into their life in order
to keep their weight down, to stay healthy, and just
to plain old feel better. A lot of inspirational tips
from women who are struggling, as well as from those
who are doing well with it. Lots of dietary advice
too, but not so rigid as Weight Watchers or any other
sort of "diet." More just about how to eat sensibly,
and tips for how to do that. It's a great list. In
order to find it at Egroups, be sure to type it in the
search field as "WalkItOff". The upper and lower
cases are important, or you will have a hard time
finding it.
--Diane

Lunch meat

2006-08-26 06:50:32

Check your lunch meat for Sodium Nitrate as an
ingredient. That is the one that really gives me a
bad attack. The other "sodium" preservatives are not
good either, but the Nitrate one is the worst.
--Diane

Side effects of Indomethacin

2006-08-26 03:30:02

Indomethacin occasionally makes me feel sort of spaced
out. Especially if I don't take it with enough food.
If I have a fairly substantial meal at the exact same
time I take it, then I don't feel hardly any side
effects at all. I've only had one resulting stomach-y
side effect from Indo (diarreah), and that was also at
a point where I was not eating a full meal at the same
time I took the Indo. As long as I eat a full meal at
the point of popping the Indo, no side effects.
--Diane

Celebrex vs. Indomethacin?

2006-08-25 22:56:50

Has anyone had a chance to compare the effectiveness of Celebrex with
indomethacin?

Medications

2006-08-25 09:25:21

Good Evening All,

I certainly hope that everyone had a painfree day. As to everyone's email, I'm going to try to put my replies all in this one. So here goes.

Diuretics: My physician says that if you can't do without your diuretics then you must compensate for the fluids being taken from your blood. In order to do this you must replace those fluids, not necessarily with water but with any type fluid, even coffee and tea, you want to indulge in as long as it's non-alcoholic. Of course with the diurectics, this means more trips to the "little girl's/boy's room." :) But, if it'll keep an attack from starting, I'm all for it.

Celebrax: Whoever said that Celebrax was too expensive is entirely right....my prescription insurance will cover it but I have to pay the first $40 as there is no generic form of it. Indomethicin, believe it or not, is one of the oldest and most used medications for gout and gouty arthritis...it's also the cheapest. The prenisone (Medrol), which is a steroid (not the kind atheletes take), is also very reasonably priced....as well as being very effective in case of a severe attack. The one medication I was on that did me the most good, Meclomen, was taken off the US market about 3 years ago. I could get it in Mexico but the pharmacist said that it worked too well, that's why the FDA took it away.

Go figure, that's our government for you.

Bone deformation: I wish that everyone could have seen the x-rays that were taken of my hands and feet...there is no doubt in my mind that uric acid crystal deposits around my joints have caused deformation. In a couple of cases, my left big toe for instance, the bone looks like someone took a melon baller and scooped out a chunk of bone. My left wrist is also affected this way. I really don't want to alarm anyone unduly but I felt it should be known.

Anyway, I hope everyone has a great day tomorrow. I'm off to Wichita Falls, TX to see my aunt tomorrow so I'm off to bed. Good nite, everyone.

Joyce

(No subject)

2006-08-25 05:47:40

Very good point, Joyce, and one I don't think anyone has made well until
your post.
Diuretics keep the old bod from retaining water. When we take diuretics, we
can glug down a bunch of liquid, but our bods won't retain an undue amount
of it if we are taking duretics. Without diuretics, the more we drink, the
more is retained intercellular, to the point of saturation. What the
diuretics do is make the cells release some of their liquid content. You
can still take in a lot, but you will also eliminate a lot of what you take
in, when diruetics are in the picture, as opposed to the amount you will
retain if they are not.
Joyce said it: you can defeat the dehydration concern while taking
diuretics by drinking a lot, and should.

(No subject)

2006-08-24 23:14:02

}}}. Well, he can't
really stop taking it, I guess..as it is medically necissary. {{{
Well, this is indeed an interesting question. I take lots of prescription
diuretics. Not taking them seems to have some fatal implications. And yes,
I'm now having more frequent gout attacks than I did. To me, the tradeoff
seems fairly clear. I can live with the gout, but I might not live without
the diuretics. The gout isn't any fun, but it isn't life threatening----so
far.

Toe deformity

2006-08-24 22:56:49

Hello All,
This is a great list for us gout sufferers. I am so glad I found it.
Thanks for your reply Joyce. It's too bad you're allergic to Colchicine.
It's made a world of difference to me. As far as the hypertension goes my
new doctor prescribed Toprol XL 50mg. Does anyone have any experience with
this medication? The Ziac I was taking made my feel tired all the time. I've
heard that's typical of antihypertensive drugs. Ugh.
I wanted to comment on Terry's post regarding her husband's toe problem. I
have had many attacks in my toes. I've never had any skin eruptions as
Terry's husband has endured. I do have two deformed joints on my toes from
the repeated attacks but to my knowledge the bone has not eroded. It's a
shame your husband's toes have gotten so bad Terry. He really should stop or
at least cut way back on the beer. It's one of the worst things for gout
sufferers. I occasionally indulge in a beer or two but I sure know about it
the next day. Wine too is very bad. Hard liquor doesn't seem to be as bad
for some reason, at least for me. As for cherry juice I once asked my former
doctor (a nephrologist) about it and he said, "all it does is make you fat."
Could be. I don't know because I've never tried it.
I've read about some herbal remedies for gout. Has anyone tried them? I'm
skeptical but who knows?
Good day,
Jeff

Gout &amp; Diuretics

2006-08-24 16:02:36

Hi,
It has been a while since I have posted with a question, because I have been
finding good info just through reading, and have no real experiences to
share.
For the benefit of newbies to the list, I am a member on behalf of my man,
Rick, who has gout.
NOW my question...Rick is on Lasix (diuretic), which we now know may be
contributing, at least in part, to some of his symptoms. Well, he can't
really stop taking it, I guess..as it is medically necissary. SO, what does
he do in the meantime? Are there other diuretics that do not aggrivate
gout? Or will his dietary changes, and maybe taking a med for the gout
counterbalance the "bad" done by the diuretic?
Any suggestions?
Marie

(No subject)

2006-08-24 06:53:25

About the pain of attacks---I used to sort of jokingly say the only way to
make it feel better would be to cut it off with a chain saw!

celebrax

2006-08-23 18:21:56

Hi again,
Celebrax is a cox-2 inhibitor and unless you know pharmacology it is
to hard to explain. Even I don't understand it. but, it is off labled
to use for gout. But I was in soooo much pain I took the
methapredasolone the steroid and 8 hours later the pain was only half
or less. So I will keep you posted on the celebrax once 90% of the
pain is gone. I got it in both of my feet the same time and was in
bed
for 2 days without moving not even going to the bathroom. God, I
think
this is the worst pain in the world cause no matter what position you
are in it neverstops throbbling so you dose off and boom wake up
screaming. I wished they would put me in a drug induced coma till the
swelling goes down.
I read somewhere that woman would reather have natural childbith
without drugs then have a gout attack. I don't know how true this is.
I again wish you all good health
bob

news flash on indomethicin

2006-08-23 17:17:59

Just to let you all know that I went to a pain management seninar
last
week. Gout was one of the topics and the conclusion was that celebrax
is more effective with FAR less side effects then indocin. Personally
I find that if I take 24mg of methapredisolone and sleep for 8 hours
the pain has dimished for the most part and the swelling has
decreased
as well. I have been a gout sufferer for 10 years off and on and I
know that we will try anything to get that pain out.
Good Health
bob

Check out InteliHealth: Arthritis research Might be of interest to some --

2006-08-23 16:30:37

<A HREF="http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSIHW000/9071/9224.html"
here: InteliHealth: Arthritis research</A

(No subject)

2006-08-23 00:04:47

I'll swear---I learn something new every day if I'm not careful!
Just read Joyce's report, and it is enlightening. This is the first I've
heard of these kinds of manifestations of gout. Again, this just shows us
how valuable this reflector is, and what a wide diversity of experiences we
encounter in our paths with gout. Thanks for reporting this. Good to know.
And, with what Joyce reports, it sounds very likely what the lady's hubby
has.

joint deformation

2006-08-22 17:35:30

To the lady whose husband has an open wound on his toe, that is more than likely a tophi, which is caused by uric acid crystals being deposited around the joint in the soft tissue. And, yes, they can break open and weep fluid and become infected. I have several tophi around my toes and according to x-rays taken last week, the uric acid crystals have eaten away part of the bone. Please get your husband to a rheumatologist, as they are the type doctors who take care of gout patients and with the right medications, your husband's toes might be saved.

This is not an infectious disease. What his doctor probably was thinking about is the infection that eats flesh. I don't believe this is the case. But please have him see a rheumatologist as soon as possible.

Also, one of the tophi on my left foot broke open last year and has been an open wound ever since. However, with keeping it clean and covered, I've managed to stay away from an infection. The medications the rheumatologist put me on are helping immensely. The open spot is closing and the wound is drying up. (it oozed uric acid.) He has me on 600mg/day allopurinol, 1000 mg/day probenecid, 1000 mg/day naproxen. He wanted to add colchicine to that but I'm deathly allergic to it.

Good luck and God Bless.

Joyce

toe joint damage

2006-08-22 16:58:53

Well, I have a fair amount of damage to the base joint on one of my big
toes. What gout normally seems to do is end up putting successive layers of
scar tissue in the joint, therefore causing it to become enlarged and
misshappen. I haven't heard of gout actually "eating" up parts of joints.
Once the joints become enlarged, there isn't any reversing it. The joint
does become somewhat less flexible. Takes a lot of this kind of damage,
though, to make removal necessary.
It almost sounds more like your hubby has some kind of bacterial infection
around that joint. The open wound thing doesn't sound like gout, either.
Maybe others on this reflector can give you better info. But, now you have
my experience.

gout

2006-08-22 16:01:50

My hysband has had problems with a toe for years. The Dr. would prescribe indomethacin and said he most likely had gout. then sometime in the past year an opening on the top of the toe appeared. my husband thought it was caused by his shoe rubbing a terribly deformed toe. It looks like a mallet toe ( I found that on the internet.) he also would sometimes bump the toe and thought this also might have caused the opening.

The Dr. suggested he see a specialist so he went to a bone specialist who xrayed the toe and said the bone had been eaten away by the crystals from gout and the toe would most likely have to be amputated; it is the toe next to the big toe. The big toe is enlarged and inflexible but the 2nd toe is really deformed. The Dr. suggested he see an internist who tried several differerent medications (arthrotec or diclofenac) and colchicine. My husband is a beer drinker and the dr. wanted him to stop drinking beer completely.

He went back to the bone specialist who ordered a culture of the toe and prescribed cephalexin(500 mg.) for infection? and then called us and said that would not treat the type of infection he had so he ordered cipro(500 mg.) and then called again to say the culture revealed a gram negative infection and neither of these drugs would help. He said it must be treated with an intravenous and told him to go see an infectious disease specialist which he has an appt. to see tomorrow. The bone specialist said my husband needs to be under the care of an internist or rheumatologist and if that doctor agrees, the toe wil have to be amputated.

Has anyone ever heard of a toe being amputated from gout crystals eating the bone away? My concern is that next the big toe will have to be amputated (which can cause problems in balance and walking) and one toe after another. Does anyone have any advice or familiar with toes being amputated due to gout?

thank you

terry

gout and hypertension

2006-08-22 05:18:52

Hi Jeff and Everyone,

You are quite correct in that a diuretic will cause problems with gout. Any doctor who knows even a little bit about gout should know that diuretics pull water from the body which in turn causes dehydration, which in turn causes uric acid concentration in the blood, which can, and most likely will, cause a gout flare-up. I am also taking a pill for hypertension, Atacand 16mg/daily. This has no diuretic component. As for Colchicine, I'm very allergic to the stuff...extremely sick!!!!! Good luck and maybe your new doctor will see the light and put you on Atacand for your BP.

Now to Diane's missive. My rheumatologist told me that for every one (1) pound of weight I lose, three (3) pounds of pressure is taken off my feet and knees. In the last month I have managed to drop about 8 lbs. As you said Diane, I just started to cut back a little on portions and especially on greasy fried foods. Well, I guess it's a start. The weight didn't go on fast so it won't come off fast and stay off.

Everyone have a great, painfree day.

Joyce

Losing weight (slowly)

2006-08-22 02:02:57

Brenda and everyone,
If I can lose weight, anyone can do it! The trick is
(I have just found) just cutting down a little on your
food intake (decreasing your portion sizes, or
replacing that afternoon candybar with something
healthier but still yummy, like yogurt) and increasing
your exercise. Even if you do these two things just
ever so slightly, it will eventually make a difference
and the weight (not all of it: but some of it) will
start to come off. It's slow, but that is the
healthiest way to do it. And walking is really
addictive and stress relieving. Get yourself a really
comfy pair of walking shoes (so your feet won't hurt
you too badly) and start with something as simple as a
10 minute walk 5 days a week. When that finally
becomes easier, then you can increase your time and
distance slowly as you become fitter.
I'm on an Egroups walking list (WalkItOff) which has
really been motivational as far as keeping me going on
the walking program. I would highly suggest joining
it if you have the time. Lots of good tips about diet
too (and not just about "dieting," which is awful, but
tips that will help you to have enough control that
you can get your weight down to something that is
healthier). All the people on the WalkItOff list are
super nice and struggling with a lot of the same
issues and weaknesses that we are.
--Diane

"Good ole South Africa"

2006-08-21 16:00:43

Hi Hell Raiser,
Don't think too badly of "good ole South Africa" just yet. There is one of
the foremost gout clinics in the world in Johannesburg. One of the top
research doctors in rheumatology and the treatment of gout, gouty arthritis,
and acquired gout is Dr. Johann Goetlieb, MD, who just happens to run the
clinic. If I could afford to, I'd have been in Johannesburg like a shot out
of a cannon.
I was 17 years old when I was first diagnosed with gout. I'm 42 now. My
rheumatologist says that I'm kind of a rarity as I'm a female and that it
started on me so young. He's sending my blood to a special study on
genetics and gout since he thinks that I'm genetically disposed to the
ailment. He has me on several medications at the moment, allopurinol - 600
mg/daily, probenecid - 1000 mg/daily, and naproxen sodium - 1000 mg/daily
(except in the instance of an attack when it goes to 3000 mg/daily for 2
days then back to 1000 mg.) In the case of an acute (potentially
hospitalizating) attack, he gave me an emergency course of prenisone (this
is a cortesteroid), a 7-day treatment.
I also have deposits of uric acid crystals around several joints,
particurally my feet, elbows, and hands. These are called tophi (plural)
and they can develope over a period of years. But be aware that these tophi
do not always develope in all gout patients. Also, according to Dr.
Goetlieb, they are treatable without surgery if they're detected in a timely
manner.
So, there is hope for you...and all of us. (You're not the only one who can
ramble...) Good luck and God Bless. Joyce

life after gout

2006-08-21 08:39:42

Good Luck, Sheila, you & hubby hang in there. Glad we could be some
help. Brenda-

Orthpedic doctor this week about the gout, and now I am somewhat
informed on gout, so I will know what to ask and understand what he
is
telling me,

nsaids

2006-08-21 05:54:39

Naproxen sodium; Aleve; Equate: are these NSAIDS? If so, are they supposed
to be better at pain relief for us than Tylenol? Just curious. If the
answer is yes, I'll switch to one of them and give it a try during my next
attack.

Not Gout

2006-08-20 21:42:45

I would let to say Thank you to everyone and let everyone know that we have found out that my husband doesnt have gout, he has Bursitis, it was infected and that why it was so bad. All your help and edvice was greatly appericiated, I wish all of you the best and I will pray that one day there is a cure from all the pain you all endure. thank you again, Sheila

(No subject)

2006-08-20 14:01:37

Concur with rheumatologist for gout.

clarification please

2006-08-20 12:35:35

}}}I`ve had no change in the frequency of attacks when I was not overweight.
DIET DIET DIET IS THE KEY NO BOOZE {{{
What's being said here? Were you not overweight, and now are----and have
had gout attacks both ways?
Do you think diet is key to gout control, or no booze is key, or a
combination of both?

What to take for gout pain

2006-08-20 10:18:51

Actually, Extra Strength Tylenol didn't even make a
dent on my gout pain, but a double dose (4) of Advil
three times a day (with meals) did the trick. Then I
switched onto Indomethacin, which worked on the pain
as well as the Advil, and better than Advil for the
inflamation. My attack subsided quite quickly after I
got on the Indomethacin. While the Advil did help A
LOT with the pain, it didn't seem to make the attack
subside at all.
--Diane

Theory blown

2006-08-20 01:24:06

Well, that blows my theory. Gotta come up with a new
one, I guess (like, what you eat can cause your uric
acid levels to rise: how's that one, y'all?).
--Diane

Gout doctor

2006-08-19 21:21:37

I believe that a rheumatologist is the best sort of
doctor to see if you have gout. My family doctor
barely knew a thing about it, and gave me nearly no
advice as to how to deal with it other than to avoid
fatty foods. She did fortunately have enough sense to
prescribe me Indomethacin, however.
--Diane

Book on gout

2006-08-19 14:10:55

One more time for newest members:
This is the book:

cherry juice

2006-08-19 01:27:28

Went to the market last night looking for cherry juice. Didn't see much
and what I found was mostly corn syrup, etc. I'm diabetic so I want
to avoid unnecessary sugars. where do you find plain cherry juice?
Brands or stores?
Edd

(No subject)

2006-08-18 20:38:30

Thank you all for the information, My husband will be going to a Orthpedic doctor this week about the gout, and now I am somewhat informed on gout, so I will know what to ask and understand what he is telling me,

I am glad to know that there is life after gout.

Thanks again, Sheila

(No subject)

2006-08-18 20:15:28

Fernando-- yes. Joint deformation is common in gout. Especially in the
knees and feet. One of my two joints at the base of my big toes is somewhat
enlarged from gout damage. It takes quite awhile, and a number of attacks
before you experience this kind of damage. Where it shows up very clearly
is on X-RAYS of the feet. There, you can really see the enlargement. And
yes, it is essentially scar tissue buildup. Some people have this in their
finger joints. You can visibly see the enlargement.

Deformation of Joint?

2006-08-18 09:02:20

I am new to the group and I have a question to see if any one knows
something about joint deformities. Let me give you some background on
my case.
I am 36 years old. My first attack was when I was 18 yrs. old. Since
then I have had usually one attack per year. It looks that gout runs
in the family, I have another brother with gout. Usually my attacks
have been in the joints of both toes. Except for one time that was in
the arch of the foot. I am not overweight and I try not to eat red
meat, beams & shell fish. I have been taking a daily Zyloprim for
ever. For now I have not able to establish what triggers my
attacks . Always have been something different including a stub in my
toe.
Two months ago I had an attack that lasted like 5 weeks. This time
the pain wasn't as bad as other times. It appeared to get better but
then would get worst. It did this several times. It did not went
away entirely until my doctor gave me a cortisone treatment. The pain
left but toe joint never retuned to a normal size and appearance.-the
joint grew up.
If you touch the bump it feels solid. The doctor told me that the
joint appears to be permanent enlarged with new bone tissue as result
of the attacks. The doctor gave me an antiflamattory for 2 weeks. it
Didn't help the deformation but my feet felt normal. Now, sometimes
times I feel some pressure (no big pain) but like if something is
not quite right
Does any bods have had some experience with the deformation of the
toe joints?.
Fernando O.

Hello All

2006-08-18 08:35:37

Just thought I would let my presence be known.
I am probaby the youngest person in this group that
actually has gout. I am all of 21. I had been having
severe pain in the muscles of my thumbs. I went to the
doctor and he did a blood test and BOOM , I have gout.
My uric acid level must have been really high because
the medication I am on has 300mg Allopurinol per
tablet. I read on the net that the highest dosage is
400 mg. Is that correct? He told me there are a whole
bunch of things I CANNOT eat. That is no problem since
I never ate most of them anyway! Mince and sausages
are really all I had to give up. Is it really true
that the attacks become more severe as you get older?
If it is , I REALLY am not looking forward to my life
at forty. Oh, yes btw I am a student in Electronic
Engineering , specialising in Computer Systems
(Networks). I live in "good"(the thickly dripping
sarcasm puddles stickily on the floor)old South
Africa.
Boy , can I ramble, or what?
Until we meet again ,au dieu mon cher!

(No subject)

2006-08-17 23:42:52

}}}I have to disagree with rb about the colchocine I
think it's the best thing since sliced bread, but it just goes to show one
persons cure is another persons poison.{{{
Right you are. If it works for you, then it's right for you. For
colchicine to work, the docs dose you to the point of toxicity. What it is
supposed to do is abort the attack. I had it tried on me once. It does in
fact make you very ill. The main thing, in my case, was it didn't abort the
attack or improve the gout situation at all. I ended up sick at my stomach
while in the middle of a severe gout attack, with no diminishment of the
gout attack. Others have reported similar results.
A problem is that you have to actually take the colchicine, and get sick
with it, before you can know if it is going to help you or not. My personal
choice was simply not to go down that road any further. If it works for
others, and they are not too uncomfortable with the side effects, most
certainly they should use it. As the writer stated, what is one persons
cure is another persons poison. In this gout business, whatever works for
you, if it doesn't cause worse problems in other health areas, should be a
tool in your arsenal of gout fighting stuff.
This is goes back again to precisely why this gout reflector is a valuable
tool to the gout community. From the experiences reported, we see that
there is a wide divergence of these, and things that work for us. In at
least one way or nother, for instance, I think all of us have had something
gout related happen to us that doesn't seem to fit what the literature says.
This leaves you wondering what is going on. With a reflector like this,
along comes several other people who have had that exact same thing happen
to them. Then you know that you are not the odd case. You also find out
that relief aids and cures are different for different folks, along with
things like diet and activities that trigger gout.

(No subject)

2006-08-17 12:34:15

}}} When this
gout attack goes away and another gout attack comes will it be the same
place or is it different? {{{
gout tends to migrate around to different joints. Where it will hit next is
not predictable. Most people with gout have it start up at the base of the
big toe. Later on, it may go to the heel, then to one or both knees. I've
had it in my hips, too. Starting out in the elbow seems to be unusual.
}}}you dont always get the
same doctor, should I get a good family doctor for him to see{{{
in this day and time of HMOs, etc, it's normal not to get the same doc
repeatedly. I think the big thing is one good session with an enlightened
doc who is current on gout will get your hubby the prescriptions he needs.
It would be better, of course, if he gets to see the same doc repeatedly for
the gout. If his health is otherwise good, he can take one med for
prevention of uric acid overproduction, another that helps eliminate uric
acid overproduction, and one to control pain. That's about all he can do,
other than watch his diet and figure out which foods and/or drinks tend to
be triggers for attacks. Then, of course, lay off those. These vary from
individual to individual. Whichever doc he sees, it is important to let
him know of any other health problems and meds he might be taking.

(No subject)

2006-08-17 12:32:04

Dear Sheila, I don't know what your husband does in this good job of
his, but as long as it doesn't demand excellent foot co-ordination
(like a dancer) or running, or unless he's a professional athlete, I
don't think the gout will interfere with his job & your lifestyle TOO
much. There are meds to reduce pain & swelling during attacks.
Attacks
are sporadic. And then there are drugs to slow production of uric
acid, or to flush extra uric acid out. Also, there are diets to help
reduce purines (causers of uric acid) which might help him. There is
a
lot of new info. Just look under gout in your search engines.

elbow, I thought he hit it and knocked it out of place, by the next
day it was bigger and the reddness spread and if you touched it he
was
in terrible pain. He went to the doctors and the doctor said it was
gout, the doctor did the blood test, they came back normal, the
doctor
still thinks it gout, so now more test. I got out some old Medical
books my Moms gave me(published in1964). I read what it said about
gout, the describtion, the eating and drinking really fit my husband.
gout. Is there a cure? Do people live with this pain all their
lifes
or does it go away? Can they still work with gout? He is still
working, it hurts alot. This is a scary thing. He is the only one
working ( I have a hurniated disc)and we have 3 kids. He finnally
has
a great job, we are getting back on our feet. Will we lose it all
again. I read something about croinc pain, and spreading to other
parts of the body, if that happens, how do I help him, I cant lift
him. I am just so new to gout and I am scared, I know he is too. We
really havent talked about it. I told him that I would go on the
interent and see what I could find out (he dont do computers).
would be greatly appericated.

(No subject)

2006-08-17 07:03:25

Sheila--
. . }}} I read something about croinc pain, and spreading to other parts of
the body, if that happens, how do I help him, I cant lift him. I am just so
new to gout and I am scared, I know he is too. {{{
the good news is that it really isn't all that bad. What happens is that
the stuff does effect different joints as time goes by. Each attack
normally lasts about a week or two, then sort of goes away. The attacks are
extremely painful.
I am now 60, and had my first attack when I was 28. I've had a bunch of
attacks since.
Diet: different foods/drinks trigger gout from person to person. In
general, foods high in purines are no-nos. The only thing I can't eat is
liver. Even a little liver---and moon shot. Other people find other
foods/drinks trigger their attacks. Stay on this reflector awhile, and you
will find out there is a diversity things that trigger gout, and remedies.
There are control drugs for gout. My advice is to avoid colchicine like the
plague. That stuff is obsolete, but some docs still try to prescribe it.
One category of control drugs tries to revent the old bod from overproducing
uric acid. Another category helps eliminate uric acid from the system.
Control of pain during attacks is important to being able to sleep and
function. DON'T take aspirin or aspirin based products. The acid in
aspirin fights with the uric acid that seems to cause gout, and intensifies
the pain. We need this like we need a hole in the head. What you can
safely take (unless there are other reasons not to), is extra strength
tylenol. Some docs will give you prescription anti-inflammatories and/or
pain relief drugs. In general, these are OK.
During an attack, the joint is impacted with uric acid crystals which settle
between the linings of the joint. This HURTS!. Use of the joint, during an
attack, not only hurts, it can result in damage. Although damage may be
slight, from attack to attack, it is cumulative. Finally, a joint may end
up enlarged and misshapen. But, this isn't anything that happens rapidly,
nor is usually very noticeable.
A number of gout sufferers have a break in the 45-60 age window, for some
unknown reason. I did. Now it's back and trying to make up for lost time.
Basically, gout is just about as bad as you let it be. If your hubby gets it
in his feet, tell him to gobble a bunch of Tylenol down and keep a
trucking---just sort of hobble around on the ankle or foot that's hurting.
I'm still very mobile. Gout slows me down periodically, and hurts like
blazes when I have attacks, but that's about it.
I'll save the details for another chapter, but some of the prescription
control meds have complications if you're hypertensive, have heart troubs,
or diabetes. It may be that the best solution is not to worry about
preventatives, and simply treat pain when it occurs.
Hope this has helped some. Feel free to ask me questions, and also talk on
the reflector like you did tonite. It's a user friendly group. Chances are
the scenario of your hubby being totally ate up with a gout attack and being
immobilized are really way out---I've never heard of this happening. Yes,
it hurts like heck, but there is life after gout.

No visible symptoms?

2006-08-16 20:41:30

I also had two other areas that got affected with a
gout attack. The tip of my elbow and my kneecap area.
Neither had visible symptoms. But they did hurt, and
were a tiny bit "puffy." Those two spots cleared up
quickly within a few days.
--Diane

(No subject)

2006-08-16 18:15:47

Hello my name is Sheila. My husband had this terrible bump on his elbow, I thought he hit it and knocked it out of place, by the next day it was bigger and the reddness spread and if you touched it he was in terrible pain. He went to the doctors and the doctor said it was gout, the doctor did the blood test, they came back normal, the doctor still thinks it gout, so now more test. I got out some old Medical books my Moms gave me(published in1964). I read what it said about gout, the describtion, the eating and drinking really fit my husband.

I came on the interenat to see if there was any new information on gout. Is there a cure? Do people live with this pain all their lifes or does it go away? Can they still work with gout? He is still working, it hurts alot. This is a scary thing. He is the only one working ( I have a hurniated disc)and we have 3 kids. He finnally has a great job, we are getting back on our feet. Will we lose it all again. I read something about croinc pain, and spreading to other parts of the body, if that happens, how do I help him, I cant lift him. I am just so new to gout and I am scared, I know he is too. We really havent talked about it. I told him that I would go on the interent and see what I could find out (he dont do computers).

I thank you for your time in listening to me and any information would be greatly appericated.

Not that painful?

2006-08-16 10:27:11

My five week long attack (the first and only) was not
that painful. I have heard that some people's gout
attacks are so painful that they cannot bear even the
weight of a sheet upon it. Mine never got that bad.
Walking was a bit hard, however, since the attack was
located in my left foot and ankle. It was sort of
painful when I walked (put too much weight on the
foot), so I had to limp. What was awful was the
swelling, though. At the worst point in the attack,
my foot/ankle looked almost like a balloon. Also, the
area looked visibly red (around my ankle, and along
the left side of the foot), and was warm to the touch.
The attack started as just a small red welt on the
ankle bone, and then "spread."
--Diane

Suggestion for new members

2006-08-16 10:18:41

Suggestion for you, Edd. Perhaps you could break up
your e-mails to the group until one point/paragraph
per e-mail message? This e-mail from you is so long
that I have trouble responding to it. Still I will
when I get a chance to: one point at a time.
Not criticizing: just advice for you to make it
easier for the rest of us. :-
--Diane

Cumulative damage

2006-08-16 03:22:03

My right ankle still swells at the end of the day,
despite the fact that I have been well over the attack
for at least 3 weeks now. I wonder when this will
stop. The ankle and left side of my foot (where the
attack was) looks pretty much like normal now (other
than the e.o.d. swelling). By morning, the swelling
is gone and my ankle looks normal. Hmmmm....
--Diane

Arthritis (x-rays to determine?)

2006-08-15 20:43:53

So by doing X-rays, they can determine that you have
arthritis? Very interesting. I am starting to get
joint pain in my fingers and wrists, and am wondering
if perhaps it is the beginning of arthritis. I'm only
40! Wah!
--Diane

Uric acid level

2006-08-15 08:20:02

You may have a point about Uric Acid levels soaring
just prior to an attack. My uric acid level (about a
week into a five week long attack) was completely
normal. I thought that was odd, but later learned it
is very common.
-Diane

(No subject)

2006-08-15 04:34:55

Edd--
attacks. If cholchicine doesn't cure an attack, how do you know you have
gout<<
I had my first attack when I was 28. I'm 60 now, and have had many attacks
over the years. On my first attack, I thought I'd somehow broken my big toe
without knowing when, where, or how. The doc said "it's gout", and
proceeded to give me colchicine. I got nice and sick, and hurt just as bad.
That was when I gave up colchicine. Many others have reported similar
results. It probably does abort attacks in some, or it wouldn't have gotten
the reputation over the years. But, bear in mind that during those times,
it was about all there was.
How do you know if you have gout? Well, if you have recurring attacks of
painful joints, and they last anywhere from one to three weeks normally, and
the joint feels like it has damage afterward, then you've probably got gout.
Sometimes the joints are hot and red, sometimes not. But, they're always
painful. Some docs want to stick a needle into the painful joint and get a
fluid sample for diagnosis. The trouble is this only works if your uric
acid levels are high during the painful stage. Same with blood samples for
uric acid levels. My uric acid levels are normal during the attacks. I
have a feeling they may soar prior to an attack, but don't know that. Gout
tends to migrate around to different joints, over time.

(No subject)

2006-08-15 02:43:10

normal<< I think this is the case only during the pain phase of the attack.
I stated that I think my uric acid levels soar prior to the pain phase. I
have had uric acid blood level tests run during an attack. I have no way of
knowing I'm going to have an attack until I start hurting, so haven't had a
blood test prior to the pain phase.
where this one came from. I believe I have lots of uric acid precipate
crystals between the linings of my impacted joints during the pain phase.
There is no way I'm going to let a doc stick a needle into one of those
ultra painful areas when it's glowing and hurting. For what? To prove what
we most people connected to the gout field seem to have a consensus on:
i.e., uric acid precipitates cause the joint pain?
rhetorically or personally. I'll try to address it both ways. This one's
simple, on the personal level: because 4 or 5 docs have told me I do.
Also, I look at the classic gout scenario. Rhetorically, when we hear about
a gout sufferer, we normally associate this with someone who has painful
recurring inflammations of foot pains. This is not suggestive of any other
forms of arthritis I know of. Other forms of arthritis tend to linger on
awhile. Lots of arthritis in hands, elbows, and shoulders. I also ascribe
to the philosophy that if it looks like a duck, quacks like a
duck............
one.

Hi, I'm a new member

2006-08-14 12:12:46

Hi,
I've been a member for a few days. Not much traffic on the list
since then. I've been diagnosed as gouty by three of four doctors over
the last 15 years, but I'm just not sure that my problem is gout. But,
who knows, maybe I'm just in denial. I've got some of the
characteristics, but it's just that there are a number of gout symptoms
that don't seem to match what happens to me.
I would really appreciate some wisdom from those on this list. I've
never gotten satisfactory answers from my doctors.
I guess my "attacks" began in my 40's. I'm 54 now. I'm fairly --
oh hell, quite -- obese. My older brother and, I think, my mother have
been on probenecid. Brother Stanley had kidney stones once. I've have
probably dozens of painful joints, big toes in just the right spot for
gout, my knees. In recent years I've had a few attacks in unusual
locations, elbow and fingers. These attacks usually last weeks and
generally I treat them with a NSAID, Clinoril. They can be stubborn to
treat. My first attack was the most painful. I guess I could say that
one was too painful for a sheet to touch. No subsequent attack was ever
that bad.
On the other hand, I was given cholchicine with in 3 hours of the
first symptoms of the attack. (I was told to take it until I puked, had
diarrhea, or the pain went a way. Lovely drug. It made me nauseous all
night.) But the pain did not diminish. I've read that cholchicine is
"diagnostic" for gout. Despite that, subsequent doctors have told me
I'm gouty, even my current doc. Does cholchicine sometimes fail to
treat gout?
I've read that joints go completely back to normal between
attacks. My toes never did. There seemed to be slight cumulative
damage after each attack. That is, the toe felt "weaker," less able to
bear weight. In fact, it seemed walking too much seemed to precipitate
attacks. Both my great toes seemed to get weaker and weaker. I began
resorting to giving my feet more support. First I tried wearing two or
three pairs of socks. That seemed to help some. Later I discovered
that taping my feet helped immensely. So one doctor treated me
symptomatically, he prescribed othotics for my shoes. Shifting my
weight off my toes help immensely. The attacks diminished in
frequency. But this just does not match gouty symptoms, as far as I can
tell. Does it?
With the exception of the first one, my attacks have not really been
all that painful. If i can sit still and not move the joint, it hardly
hurts at all. It's only bending it or bearing weight that makes it
worse. Can you have not-so-painful attacks of gout?
And my attacks generally have no visible symptoms. The joint does
not feel particularly hot nor does it look very red. You have to
examine the joint very closely to detect any subtle reddening. There
generally is hardly any swelling. Does this sound like a gout attack?
The more recent attacks in my wrist and fingers have had no visible
symptoms.
Over the years, I guess I've had two or three dozen attacks in my
feet and knees. And maybe three or four in the last couple years in my
wrist and hands.
I usually notice first symptoms during the day. Over the space of a
few hours, tingles turn into irritation and then into some stiffness and
pain. By the second or third day the pain has maxed out and lingers on
for a while. Generally I've got the impression that most attacks occur
because of some cause, such as worn out running shoes not being
supportive enough. With one exception, attacks have never developed
during the night.
Sometimes a toe gets painful enough that I don't want sheets on it,
but repositioning and getting back to sleep is not usually a big
problem. I've read that breezes can be enough to cause pain in gout.
I've never had that.
Commonly one of the most effective treatments for me seems to be
soaking the foot in hot water. does gout respond favorably to hot
soaks?
Right now, I've dealing with an attack that's been on and off since
early June. The toe has improved and worsened a couple times. For the
last several weeks, it's been a low grade kind of thing, but frustrating
because I can't quite cure it. I've avoided going for long walks for
fear of irritating the toe, but walking around at work hasn't really
been a problem.
This current attack feels a little different. The pain is in a
different location and the joint seems "larger" at that spot. It's
definitely larger than the other big toe joint. I guess that's
swelling. And for the first time
I've noticed some warmth on the joint and some slight redness. And at
my doctor appointment at the first of the month, my newest doctor
diagnosed me as gouty and I've been fighting it for so many weeks that
I'm grasping at straws and beginning to wonder if maybe I really do have
gout. But you know doctors, they don't really listen to the symptoms you
have or the reasons behind your thoughts.
He prescribed cholchicine. So I'm trying it again. over the last
several days, I had doubled (don't tell my doc) the NSAID dose and
soaked in hot water more frequently. The toe has improved, though I can
still feel some irritation in the joint and it still feels larger.
How soon after starting the cholchicine should the pain go away and
the swelling resolve? My pharmacist told me 15 minutes. I'm taking 0.6
mgs twice a day. So far I've just taken my first tablet.
So my main question is, do I really have gout?
I would appreciate any help. I'm lost in information here.
Edd

(No subject)

2006-08-14 09:38:54

Whooops! Right you are. Kings AND Queens. Guess I should have said
royalty and avoided this trap completely. Oh well....

New Member

2006-08-14 08:13:01

I am a 52 year old white mail just diagnosed with gout 2 weeks ago.
I remember as a boy sometimes my father would stay home in bed with gout
but I never paid it any mind. My right big toe had been giving me a lot of
pain off and on for the past 6 months. I figured it was sprained or such
and did not seek medical treatment. Finally it got so bad I could not put
it off.
So here I am, wanting to learn more. Is there a FAQ or any good websites
that anyone can recommend?
Best,
John R Henry, CPP
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(No subject)

2006-08-13 20:59:10

My gosh what a diversity of shapes, sizes, and behaviors we gouters have!
That is very interesting, and it's good to know. What a bunch of different
things trigger gout in us.
Another very interesting thing I've come to find out through this reflector
is that gout attacks don't always settle in the joints. As a couple of "for
instances", I've had a couple that ended up on the front part of my knee
cap. I didn't realize they were gout attacks. I got a little suspicious
after a couple, but didn't for sure believe it until I read an account on
here of the same thing.
Also, I've had several attacks on the back of my heel. Again, I didn't
realize those were gout, but now know they were, as others have reported
similar attacks.

(No subject)

2006-08-13 18:44:34

tired of gout being called the Fat Peoples Disease.
Not necessarily true, is it?<<
I like the part about it being the disease of kings. Gout sufferers are
known to be highly intelligent, according to some sources. We can just
forget that ugly stuff up above.

Sticking to our diet

2006-08-13 16:05:24

I can sympathize, Brenda. I too have had a hard time
sticking strictly to what I should be eating (as
opposed to what I should not!). Have not gone back to
sandwich meat, though, or hot dogs, and the fish
sticks with the MSG I threw out. But I have gone back
a bit to whiskey (Scotch: only 2-3 shots a week,
though) and to coffee (about 1-2 cups a day, followed
by 1-2 cups or more of water). So far I have been
doing okay. Only one very tiny recurrent attack in my
knee, barely even noticeable (and this after a wicked
evening of shrimp and chocolate!).
So, we do what we can, I guess.
--Diane

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(No subject)

2006-08-13 05:55:56

Most of us who have gout attacks literally can't afford to be laid up. Yes,
staying prone and keeping the knee/foot, whatever elevated works best. No
question. And yes, that promotes recovery/healing better. And yes, that
sucker hurts less when elevated. However--most of us have to work, etc.
This means being mobile on something that hurts like blazes. Pain relief is
the key, at that point. Again, I say don't use anything aspirin based. Go
with extra strength Tylenol, or similar. I have never been immobilized with
gout. I've had a whole slew of attacks in which one foot or the other was
killing me. Yes, joints were hot and swollen. Yes, they hurt like the
devil, but I simply won't let it put me down. It may slow me down, but it
doesn't put me down.
This is where actual damage to joints comes in. Stay mobile while the joint
is impacted, and you are accruing some kind of damage. No question. The
thing is this, in my case. I reason it out: it does in fact take years to
accrue enough joint damage to seriously matter. I have one big toe that is
getting a mishappen joint at the base of the joint. I'm now 60 yrs old, and
have no major joint problems. So, living with the discomfort and pain of
staying mobile hasn't really penalized me very much, if any. Sure there are
tradeoffs, but there it is.

(No subject)

2006-08-12 23:49:21

scenario at all. Not overweight, not a regular
drinker, not eating a lot of foods high in purines<<
how discouraging---what we call a clean liver! And, has gout. What is a
bod to do???

Unsubscribing from this list

2006-08-12 14:55:09

Just for your info, this is not how you unsubscribe
from an egroups list. Go to www.egroups.com, click on
your groups, and then click on unsubscribe besides the
group you no longer want to get e-mails from.

Gout survey

2006-08-12 10:33:55

*Name: Barry

*Age: 62

*Weight: 224 lbs

*Height: 6-0'

*Trigger foods: Red Meat (espescially beef) any food that has preservatives added.( any food you love)

*Medicine: Indomethicin or Colchicine only when attacked

Allopurinol all the time (lower dosage when attacked)

Was told by doctor that two cans of beer before dinner could aid in flushing the system,

Have had to seriously change dietry habits (No junk food)

Drink plenty of water

Excercise tends to exacerbate gout when under attack

Hope this helps someone

Barry

(No subject)

2006-08-12 05:43:45

Name: Joyce Cane
Age: 42
Weight: 300 (way too much!!)
Height: 5'11"
First attack at age 17 in Achilles tendon. (thought I'd bumped it)
Have had several attacks in feet and ankles which went away in about 2
weeks. Several attacks in my hands also. Each time treated with Prednisone
(cortosteroid) and allopurinol. Until 1 week ago, had been on allopurinol
600 mg daily for maintenance. (past ten years worth)
Dr changed me to probenicid and it is helping a lot!!! (although it did
cause minor diarhea) Have had two attacks in knees. Once in the left knee,
which the doctor drained the fluid off with a syringe. (INSTANT RELIEF!!!!)
the second in both knees. I was hospitalized for 6 days on intraveinous
medication. (sensation was that the back bend in my knees felt swollen and
full of water) I also have uric acid deposits (lumps) on my elbows, hands,
feet, and one kneecap. (these are called "tophi")
Probenicid had been known (according to my Dr) to reduce tophi.
Food triggers: sodium nitrates, sodium nitrites, pinto beans, liver,
prepared lunch meats, hotdogs, and cured pork
Beef doesn't seem to bother me if I don't overdo it. I can also eat moderate
amounts of fresh pork. I don't know about alcohol as I am a teatotaller.
(never thought that would be a good thing.)
Since I am a long-haul, truck driver, having gout is very inconvenient.
Stay well. Hope this helps someone.
Joyce

Fwd: [gout] [Fwd: gout - Survey]

2006-08-12 04:55:31

NEVER EMAIL ME AGAIN

(No subject)

2006-08-11 20:16:58

being facetious, I think. <<
OK, OK--you caught me. It should be prodigious, not professional (I don't
actually get paid for it, though I should).

Welcome to the group

2006-08-11 12:37:32

Nice to hear from you. You were young to get it, I
think? I was 40 when my first (recent) attack hit. I
did get a small patch of the gout attack in my right
elbow (just on the tip) and my left knee on the
kneecap, but those outbreaks where minor compared to
the attack on the left side of my foot (which had me
hobbling for about 4 weeks). The other two spots were
indeed just tiny areas that were painful and a bit
swollen and hot (they weren't even red, oddly enough).
What do you think brought on your gout? Do you fit
the class scenario for a gout sufferer?
--Diane

survey

2006-08-11 04:07:31

Email: rbigg@...
weight: Classified but humongous
Age: 60
Trigger foods: any kind of liver; woof down everything else with no
effects
Alcohol: Professional drinker

age range vs gout frequency

2006-08-11 00:11:19

Maybe you got something there, RB. I just turned 60 then had my 1ST
attack! (& I certainly hope, my LAST one.) Tell you what, I'll keep a
frequency record, as well as keeping up with my weight status. Hey,
we could make up a survey, & fill it out, & see how many of us fit
into which pidgeonholes & phases of the moon, LOL. Brenda

two
of us

One more diet question

2006-08-10 19:00:35

First, I want to thank those of you who have answered my questions. This group has been quite helpful.

I do get the impression from what I have read that dietary changes, while important.are not THE most important thing. And we will be taking the advice of eliminating then reintroducing foods, to see what Rick's triggers are. We already think red meat is a trigger because last year when we went off red meat for several weeks Rick said he felt much better. This was before he knew he had gout.

I do wonder about one thing we read...it mentions eliminating yeast. Does this mean no bread? What about unleavened bread? Rick was thinking of switching to whole wheat bread, assuming he can even eat it.

Thanks.

Marie

A question about Kidney stones

2006-08-10 13:11:34

Hello!

Rick has asked me to inquire about kidney stones. He has gotten them almost monthly for the last several months. In fact, having them analyzed is how the Dr. diagnosed his gout. He has noticed that suddenly they seem different in a way he cannot put his finger on. They are coming out "quicker" he says..and in tiny grains, rather than formed stones. He is not on meds yet for the gout (his personal jury is still out regarding whether he wants to start) and his diet changes have just been in effect for a few days. Anyone elso have recurring stone problems, and have this happen? He goes back to the doctor in a few weeks, but does not want to be calling for every little thing. Rick wonders if changes in the uric acid in his system is causing the sudden changes in his stones?

Thanks

Marie

Read labels, eat better

2006-08-10 10:09:00

This is from my "WalkItOff" list (a very good list on
E-groups about walking for weight loss and fitness);
also has advice about diet, like the following:
ContentMail Presents: Health and Fitness
August 8, 2000
Today's Article:
GRAB ONTO THE HEALTH CART
================================================================
It's the end of another bustling day. You're tired,
sweaty, smelly
and hungry. About the only thing more appealing than a
hot shower
is a hearty meal. Problem: The refrigerator is empty,
and the
pantry is being used for storage space for your old
sports gear.
Want to avoid such situations in the future? This is
the perfect
time to learn about healthful grocery shopping. Join
us for a
supermarket tour with Barbara S. Correll, a registered
dietitian
for 28 years and owner of Dietetic Consulting Services
in Florida's
Tampa Bay area. Among other things, you'll learn how
to reduce fat,
sugar, sodium and cholesterol in your diet; find great
sources of
protein and antioxidants; and better understand
nutritional labels.
The dividends? You'll feel great and improve your
physique.
Here are the basic guidelines:
-- Above all else, learn to read and understand food
labels.
"People have to read the labels or they just won't
succeed,"
Correll attests. While walking through a grocery
store in
Clearwater, Fla., we discovered many products,
especially those
with reduced fat, are loaded with enough sugar,
salt and preser-
vatives to fill a sand trap; there can be a huge
gap in calories
between similar-looking products (from 60 to 140
calories, for
example, for the same amount of red pasta sauce);
some are vague
about their ingredients; and others don't even
have labels --
which means zero chance of us buying it.
-- Avoid foods with high contents of fat, which can
cause heart
disease and a plague of health problems (keep
total fat to less
than 20 percent of calories, with less than 10
percent from
saturated). Avoid salt/sodium, which can cause
high blood pressure
(3,000 to 4,000 milligrams daily). Avoid
cholesterol, which clogs
arteries (200 to 300 milligrams daily). Avoid
caffeine, which can
raise blood pressure and cause dehydration. Avoid
sugar, which
often adds unneeded calories. And, finally, avoid
nitrates, which
are heavily used in processed and smoked meats and
can cause cancer.
-- Among fats, unsaturated are the lesser evil. The
best fats are
monounsaturated (canola and olive oils, nuts and
avocado), which
can lower harmful cholesterol (LDL) levels;
followed by poly-
unsaturated (corn, soybean and sunflower oils;
fish fat). Saturated
fats (found in meats; dairy products; hardened
butter and margarine;
and coconut, palm and palm kernel oils) raise LDL
levels.
In recipes, try using fat substitutes such as
apple sauce, bananas,
pureed prunes, fat-free yogurt and egg whites.
-- Determine fat percentage based on calories, not
weight. One gram of
fat has 9 calories (compared to 4 calories for a
gram of protein or
carbohydrate). So a 200-calorie nutritional bar
with 4 fat grams (4
times 9 equals 36 calories) is 18 percent fat.
-- Grab foods with high fiber content, such as whole
grains, fruits,
beans and other veggies. Fiber has many benefits:
It keeps the
stomach full so you'll tend to eat less; helps
regulate blood sugar
levels for maintained energy; fights off bad
cholesterol; and aids
in waste elimination. Correll recommends eating 25
to 35 grams daily.
-- Choose a wide variety of foods, especially from the
produce section.
Many fruits and vegetables are loaded with
vitamins, minerals and
antioxidants, which help fight off body-damaging
and disease-causing
free radicals.
As a general rule of fruits and veggies, Correll
says, "The more
colorful, the more nutrition value you'll get."
Also, freshly
frozen produce can be just as healthy as that
picked off the pile.
-- Despite the recent trend toward low-carbohydrate
diets, Correll
advocates balanced nutrition plans. "Moderation in
everything is
my golden rule," she declares.
To avoid overeating, she suggests using plastic
bags to separate
portions. Correll uses Exchange Lists, available
from the American
Diabetes Association and The American Dietetic
Association, to help
establish serving-size guidelines.
-- Don't neglect dairy products. They are a great
source of calcium,
which helps keep bones dense and strong. And it's
not just women who
need to worry about osteoporosis. "I'm finding
more and more men with
calcium problems," Correll says.
-- People should look for cookbooks "that match what
kind of plan they're
on and what they want to get out of their foods,"
advises Correll.
-- Never shop for groceries on an empty stomach, which
can lead to
impulsive buying of junk food.
-- For eating on the go, Correll recommends
prepackaged foods such as
granola, nutritional or protein bars. Drink water,
and plenty of it,
but definitely no beverages with alcohol or
caffeine.
(Darren Liebman is a freelance writer and personal
trainer living
in Tampa, Fla. He can be reached at dltarzan@....)
(c) 2000, Darren Liebman.
Distributed by Los Angeles Times Syndicate

That's what I am doing (too)

2006-08-10 03:53:01

*****
This is what I have been doing (what is described
above). I have discovered nothing yet that triggers
the attack (since I have not had a second one). I
even had a couple of shots of scotch the other night,
and no new flare-up. I still have to try the turkey
sandwich meat which contains sodium nitrate. I'm sort
of scared to try it again (I was eating it 4-5 days a
week just prior to my attack), but I guess I have to
just bite the bullet and do it, and if I get another
attack then I will finally know what caused it. But,
I am going to wait a month or so to do this, as I have
just recently gotten over my horrendous five-week long
attack, and I want to enjoy not hobbling for a bit.
--Diane

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2006-08-09 12:32:42

Welcome to Marie and Rick. I'm somewhat of a newbie, too.
Tell Rick that one thing which seems to jump out at me is that, by all
accounts coming across the reflector, the only thing you can depend on being
true is something you yourself have experienced and/or proven valid, in
terms of what works and what doesn't work in this gout business.
I would tell Rick to re-introduce each of the foods the doc or whoever told
him were excluded on diet, and systematically see which, if any, star